The Illinois Football Coaching Search

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Here is your rumor of the night.....Josh decides nothing is blowing up his skirt, hires Brock Spack with his 83-49 record to settle the ship and saves a ton of money in the process to build up the staff. Spack is a wicked good coach who obviously has Illinois ties. He is 58 years old and has the stache of Ditka. Hey, he did play LB at Purdue and coached there so he has Big10 blood. I was joking at first but somehow while writing this I convinced myself I wouldn't mind it. View attachment 6831
I suffered through years of awful ISU teams, so I had to buy a ticket to Texas when ISU played NDSU for the FBS National Championship. They lost, but just being there was a huge moral victory. I think Brock Spack would be an awesome coach at Illinois, and hadn't even really thought about him until you brought him up.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
Agree. We cannot afford to get worse before we get better.
The roster Lovie has left us may not give us a great deal of choice in the matter.

To be frank, Lance Leipold's performance in Years 1 and 2 at Buffalo made it about a 90% certainty that he would be a failure there. Then the 10% chance hit.

Were he and his staff learning lessons that will translate to improved performance here? Or is that just a product of a theory of building that takes time and their own HS recruits to bear fruit? Josh Whitman, do your homework.
 
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That's why I'm starting to like the idea of LL. He could at the very least take the current roster and coach them up to be more competitive until he gets his guys in. And coach them up much more than anything our current staff has done.
 
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I guess my weird problem with LL is that there's nothing special or exciting about the hire. And I admit that should not matter, results should. I guess I just had it in my mind that Josh would try for something bigger. LL is really just the classic, "This B1G job is open, let's fill it with the best MAC coach," move that any random AD can fall backward into. Like there's nothing really exciting about it. And that's why I look at it as just kinda ho hum. The other thing is that his resume is just so different from most MAC coaches that make the jump. He's not young. He's not a former P5 assistant. He has no P5 recruiting experience and minimal P5 coaching connections. There's a lot of easy check boxes that are missing. But of course it would be unfair to write off his insanely successful HC career. It's just kind of a weird resume, and an easy move. I think that's why I see it as more risky and less exciting that most.
 
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JFGsCoffeeMug

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The roster Lovie has left us may not give us a great deal of choice in the matter.
The upcoming transfer market could do a lot to ameliorate this. But I agree that it's likely that things will get worse before they get better.
 
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Not sure I see that huge a risk. All evidence is the guy is a heck of a X's/O's and program building type coach. The next couple years will suck no matter what as the cupboard is pretty bare right now. HS coaches and players aren't dumb, if they see a coach that develops players, that is good with fundamentals and that treats the players well, the talent will find its way here. I actually view LL as being lower risk than BB and Fickell - we don't know that BB can win without the tail wind provided by a successful predecessor and we don't know how much of Fickell's success is due to him vs his coordinators, plus the expectations and price tag will be much higher
I agree in that I don't know if a huge risk, but definitely somewhat of a concern on recruiting. However, I would love to see a well coached team which LL seems like he would do well in. I don't know the last time I saw a well coached Illini team and it would be something to behold.

Also, for another post, I don't know if I see our cupboard so low if we retain some of returning talent. Some holes and possibilities for transfers, but I do feel like our talent was grossly underused this season.

For example (talent)
WR - Hightower seems to be a unique option and maybe a BheBhe light?
Navarro is a good possession receiver.
Can Washington step up and Frenchie is a highly rated recruit - although depth is really bad and are any ready to be a number 1 or even number 2 receiver.
Brown and Love are good talents at RB.
We did not use Ford at all like he should have been - depth will be bad if Barker does not return and don't get anyone in
OL is a concern for sure but if we somehow get Green back (however with Palcho coming back, Jeretsay possibly, Pearl and Brown playing well in spurts) we at least look better than I thought
Williams is a unique talent at the QB and seem to have some good upcoming talent. Much better than it had been
Would love to see more depth at all positions, but it is better than when Lovie took over, but badly coached.

Defensively, we are young, but there is talent in Coleman, Newton, Randolph on the line, but we need someone to rush and need some tackles bad. LB's in Tolson, Cooper, and Barnes is a good start and obviously our secondary will be a concern if Hobbs/Adams don't use the free year to return, but Witherspoon, Beason if ready and comes back, and if Brown somehow returns to form.

While not a great class coming in, it seemed we did address the Oline and Secondary the best. We will see, but it is a little better than when Lovie took over and with all due respect, outside of turnovers, he seemed like Lovie coached really bad and without a real game plan. There is no way our offense from Rod should have been this bad this year and the defense could not create any pass rush and just gave up. However, with Lovie known as a D coach, there were really badly coached. I mean listening to Jay Leman, he would have immediately upgraded how that team was coached just listening to him.

I know it is a long shot as most coaches will bring in their own staff, but would love to see one of Leman, Scheelhouse, or Holocek join this staff somehow. We need some Illini blood that can recruit the state, but also with Leman, I feel knows what he is doing. Straight up nepotism for Lovie to hire his own son when Jay was pining for the job. This alone is why along with Lovie's record, I could care less he is gone. I liked Lovie originally as a classy leader, but that just reaks along with laziness on recruiting trail.

Whatever happens, I do believe JW will do a good job finding someone that will be motivated to do well and hopefully, well coached.
 
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We need a flight tracker of a flight that lands at some random airport like 3 hours away from Cincinnati, accompanied by some wild story of why it's so far away as to hide the trail.
"Luke's son had a soccer tournament in Lexington. JW was able to meet him outside the local McDonald's in between games. Everything's agreed to in principle. Luke and his family are flying up to Champaign on Saturday night to formally sign the contract."
 
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GrayGhost77

Centennial, CO
Can someone "see" luke fickell at a coffee shop in champaign sometime today?!?!
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Luke Fickell pass out at Black Dog last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
 
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The roster Lovie has left us may not give us a great deal of choice in the matter.

To be frank, Lance Leipold's performance in Years 1 and 2 at Buffalo made it about a 90% certainty that he would be a failure there. Then the 10% chance hit.

Were he and his staff learning lessons that will translate to improved performance here? Or is that just a product of a theory of building that takes time and their own HS recruits to bear fruit? Josh Whitman, do your homework.
Especially when you are dealing with a rebuild, you can't just look at the record in the first couple years. Alvarez went 1-10 his first year, but you could see he was building a culture and was starting to recruit well

I expect to have a crappy record next year. I'll know we have the right hire if we see improvement throughout the year, we see players step up who we didn't expect to step up, we see good execution on the field in terms of limited missed assignments and dumb penalties, if we hear positve things from prep coaches
 
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Agree. Don't think LL is that low a risk. I do think any coach that comes in we're going to see dropoff for a year or two simply due to talent leaving/graduating out when Lovie didn't recruit very successfully the last couple years. I do think LL would get the most out of the talent he has. I think that's where we need to start and if we can at least be respectable on the field and show player development and simultaneously build relationships with the in-state coaches again, the talent will come and wins will build off that. Remember, Alvarez was inheriting a similar situation at Wiscy and it took a few years for it to work, but when it did it worked out spectacularly. It can certainly happen.
Agreed, which is why I think this program is a 4 year rebuild, at a minimum. That time frame works just fine at Buffalo, or Army, but is Illinois patient enough?
 
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whatahack

St. Peters MO
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Luke Fickell pass out at Black Dog last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

Is she a barber or wears a black shirt...
 
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LJ22

Chicago, IL
The roster Lovie has left us may not give us a great deal of choice in the matter.

To be frank, Lance Leipold's performance in Years 1 and 2 at Buffalo made it about a 90% certainty that he would be a failure there. Then the 10% chance hit.

Were he and his staff learning lessons that will translate to improved performance here? Or is that just a product of a theory of building that takes time and their own HS recruits to bear fruit? Josh Whitman, do your homework.
It will absolutely be an uphill battle for anyone who comes in. I am pro-lower level guy with a proven win record. I don't necessarily think big splashy name is the way to go. I liked what I read in the article someone posted here quoting former Illini on what they think we should be looking for, and I am just not sold that anyone being mentioned as a real possibly fits those criteria.

I'm glad I'm not responsible for making the decision.
 
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