I feel like Hartline having a decent NFL career is worth more than Sheelhause being an assistant to an assistant for one more year
I think that’s what I was agreeing to? Unless I read the original comment wrong. Both are ridiculous at this stage in their careers.Not sure what people are seeing in Sheelhause. He would seem to be quite a ways away from a head coaching candidate..
I like what Clawson has done there. However, 14th ranked class in the ACC this year. Not a good sign with that many years of being there and being fairly successful.I agree with what a lot of you guys are saying... If JW is going to hire a guy, it needs to either be a P5 coordinator or a up-&-coming HC from a Group of 5.
No offense to anyone, but if we hire a position coach with no experience for the HC job just because he is a great recruiter, then there is an issue here...
My List/Analysis
1. Fickell – Enough said.
2. Dave Clausen (Wake Forest) – A bit out of left field, but dude has proven himself at Wake and taken them as far as he can go at a small private school. If JW pulls another Underwood, this would be my pick.
3. Liepold (Buffalo) – Proven winner/coach, but the age does concern me a bit. Give him the program for a few years and then turn it over to his groomed successor.
4. Kent State Guy – Super young, but if you give him money for a solid/good staff of coordinators & recruiting position coaches, you might have something special.
I think hiring Scheelhaase would be ridiculous. But if Hartline is an actual candidate then Scheelhaase better have turned us down.
Clausen has been held back at Wake for 2 reasons:I like what Clawson has done there. However, 14th ranked class in the ACC this year. Not a good sign with that many years of being there and being fairly successful.
I still like Leipold a lot. Reminds me of Jerry Kill with the staff loyalty. That’s huge.
Perhaps Hartline knows that to be a candidate for HC at OSU down the road someday, he's got to go get HC experience elsewhere first. From his perspective, maybe grab a spot now, and get started.Hartline wants the top job at OSU someday. I have a hard time believing he wants to leave. Turned down some NFL options last year. I think we would be pleasantly surprised, especially if he can put together a staff. That said, feels like a long shot.
Definitely should be Brian Hartline. Just google Kara Conrad. She, I mean he's my #1 choice.
Let’s just be real here. We all love Nate but if you think he brings more to the table than Hartline, I’ve got nothing for you.
I’m not saying Hartline is a home run hire, but his upside is more than anyone we’re legitimately considering.
As the Lovie era taught us harshly.Inexperience isn't upside.
Someone explain the Marcus Freeman > Luke Fickell thing to me. Both are defensive guys. Big ten players and coaches. Fickell was dc at osu. Freeman lb coach at Purdue. I have a hard time thinking Freeman is pulling the strings at cincy.
Has Martin turned the corner?He isn't my first choice but Chuck Martin would be higher on my list than a decent chunk of the names that have been mentioned in this thread. He hasn't quite crested at Miami (OH) but he took a program that was performing poorly and turned the corner to being a consistent MAC contender.
The turning of the corner was going from 2/3 win team to 6-8 win team. But like I said, he hasn't crested to reach that 8-10 win program that gets him a shot at a B1G head job (and the clock is working against him, people do not like waiting for success in the rat race of P5 head coaching jobs). Also hurts him that things were looking good for this year but, alas.Has Martin turned the corner?
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Let's be real, no one will give him 5 years to go 6-6...
Really interesting angle. This fits the bill of a Whitman hire. A reasonable, calculated risk. Color me intrigued.Hartline? That is very risky. But it fits the recruiter at the top and good staff below idea some of us have been clamoring for.
And unlike Beckman/Campbell where it came as a genuine surprise that a then-32 year old Campbell got the head job, everybody knows Freeman is Fickell's successor at UC, unless he wants a seven-figure DC job elsewhere in college or the NFL. So you know you're getting Fickell minus Freeman, and Freeman's defenses have been what makes those teams so special.Similar to the concerns about Beckman/Campbell.
@mhuml32 I agree it is a good turn around, but you have to also consider how long it took him to make a 4 game turnaround.
Someone brought up Doeren at NCSU a while ago. He inherited a terrible situation from Tom O'Brien in 2013 (to the point of having to use a WR as QB) and went +5 in the win column the next year. I know Miami (OH) doesnt have P5 resources, but 5 years is a long time for .500 record.
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Agreed. Hartline played 7 years in the league and broke 1000 yards twice. We are not talking about a journeyman. That’s a lot of cred compared with Scheelhaase. Don’t get me wrong, I love Scheelhaase and hope to see him in the orange and blue again, but I think Hartline has the bona fides between the two.I feel like Hartline having a decent NFL career is worth more than Sheelhause being an assistant to an assistant for one more year
Assuming an “oh my gosh package” for the Campbells and Fickells falls through, this is the kind of profile we’ll be looking at. Lots of upside but some noticeable holes in the resume. We are still Illinois. It’s just the reality... short of giving someone $10M/yr. Which we won’t.Not trying to troll, but real question: how exactly does a relatively obscure NFL pedigree and three successful years attracting 5-star WRs to a national title contending alma mater suggest Hartline is the right person to lead a massive, ground-up rebuild of a perennial basement dweller? How would his particular talents and qualities, which are pretty narrowly limited to his recruiting prowess in a completely different context to what he's be dealing with at Illinois, translate to the herculean task of fixing this program? This kind of hail-mary, magic savior mentality is, frankly, sort of what got us Lovie in the first place. Name recognition! He'll adjust to the unfamiliar role! Look how successful he was doing something that won't be relevant here!
I’d love him on staff... but objectively speaking, while I think he can do it, being an OC is a pretty big step up. Come play that OC role in Champaign.Not sure what people are seeing in Sheelhause. He would seem to be quite a ways away from a head coaching candidate..