The Illinois Football Coaching Search

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If Illinois isn't willing to pay $5M a year for the head football coach in the B10, then what are we doing here?
I think Illinois is willing for the right guy. If Fickell wants the job, I'm sure Josh would figure out a way to get a 5+ mil salary approved. It really depends who you want/choose though. You're not going to give a MAC coach or Monken 5 mil. Probably more like 2.5-3.
 
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KrushCow31

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Chicago, IL
I'm not sure you can look at someone who stood toe to toe and really competed with a division that was: Peak Alabama, Malzahn's best Auburn teams, Hugh Freeze's Ole Miss, Dan Mullen's best Mississippi State teams, Johnny Football-era Texas A&M and LSU and call 29-34 with three bowls in five years a "failure".

It wasn't success, but it's not clear success was really a possible outcome there.
You can't list all those in conference rivals and then list his overall record. His conference record was 11-29. Lovie was 10-33 in the B1G btw...
 
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Perusing a few articles and comments about Bielema at Arkansas and there seems to be a lot of criticism of his recruiting, particularly that he was lazy. This column seems a little more positive, but it again boils down to recruiting.

A Look at What Went Wrong For Bret Bielema
 
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If he's so good how are we even able to get him? Everyone knows who he is so why hasn't he taken another college HC job yet?

is this argument part of the old “ I refuse to join a club that would have me as a member “ schtick?
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
To the point of Bielema being a known jerk and alleged up to and including a genuinely morally unfit character, I guess I place my trust in Whitman's hands who will be working with a lot more information and understanding of the profession's standards than I will. It's reason for pause, no doubt.

To the point of how we can look at Bielema's prior stops for guidance on whether or not he would succeed at Illinois, I am reminded of what I in the moment thought was the dumbest hire of the last few years, Mack Brown at UNC. What we didn't know however, was that Mack Brown had given a lot of thought to what his strengths and weaknesses were, what the needs of the present day college football program are, and made a plan for how we would succeed at THAT job.

It still might not have worked, and I remain skeptical of the Mack Brown/Herm Edwards explicit CEO coordinator-driven model. But the results speak for themselves, and it's clear that UNC's anointing of Brown was not just "hey, it wasn't really his fault at Texas if you parse the numbers enough", but an affirmative case made by Brown of what he can do NOW in THAT job.

I hope that's the bar Bielema would have to clear with Whitman. I've said this before, but the Lovie Smith era at Illinois was conceived in a series of private meetings at Lovie's Tampa home between two guys who really believed they knew football, but who hadn't been day-to-day with a major college program since 2000 (Whitman) and 1995 (Lovie) respectively. I hope that lessons have been learned now that Whitman has some battle scars in the job.
 
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Ubermensch

BOOM! Feed my ego.
The more I look at Clawson, the more I like him. That dude seems like a legitimate football coach. His record of building programs is pretty outstanding.
 
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If he's so good how are we even able to get him? Everyone knows who he is so why hasn't he taken another college HC job yet?

is this argument part of the old “ I refuse to join a club that would have me as a member “ schtick?

Partially haha, I do love a good Groucho reference. But I wouldn't be making this argument if he was still in college ball though. He's in the NFL, if he really wanted to get back into college coaching he has the luxury of being able to pick his spot. If he was sought after at all by any other P5 school why in the world would he pick us? If he hates recruiting, as people here have seemed to indicate, why even bother coming back to the college game? Is he just chasing a bigger payday? Maybe he sees what Lovie was able to rake in for not really doing anything and thinks "Hey, I could use $20M over the next 5 years" Maybe he just misses the Co-eds?
I don't have that "why would they pick us" mentality for any coach still in college football because there aren't that many openings this year so an OC or DC at a big school or a smaller school HC could see us as their chance to move up. But he's been out of the game for years now and no one has been banging down his door to come back.
 
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GrayGhost77

Centennial, CO
Rumors of Dave Clawson at another site, including a plane to Charlotte.

Successful Wake Forest coach, very like Whitman's BB m.o.
Interesting. Had to look up his coaching record and background. He's turned around several different programs and has made Wake a respectable program in what is currently a decent conference. No small feat at a place like Wake Forest, a traditional basketball school (seems familiar...). Seems like an east coast guy, though. It would be nice to have someone with midwest connections, but I suppose if he hired the right staff it could certainly work.

Also seems, if true, to be a typical Whitman outside-of-the-box choice.
 
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Rumors of Dave Clawson at another site, including a plane to Charlotte.

Successful Wake Forest coach, very like Whitman's BB m.o.
Please no! With Clawson as their offensive coordinator, Tennessee suffered its worst statistical offensive season in over 30 years.

His career record is 130-122. Not exactly lighting a fire under the excitement box. I don't love the Lewis hire, but I would rather take a chance on a guy who might energize our program with youth and energy. I would not want to make this decision (actually yes I would), can't please all of us know it all fans!
 
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Please no! With Clawson as their offensive coordinator, Tennessee suffered its worst statistical offensive season in over 30 years.

His career record is 130-122. Not exactly lighting a fire under the excitement box. I don't love the Lewis hire, but I would rather take a chance on a guy who might energize our program with youth and energy. I would not want to make this decision (actually yes I would), can't please all of us know it all fans!
All due respect man, but that mesh concept is hard to stop. Tennessee is its own dumpster fire, but Clawson has a helluva resume. He builds quality programs.

Keep in mind, he is in the same division in the ACC as Clemson, Florida State, NC State, and Louisville. That means that (when FSU was good) you were for sure losing 2, probably losing to Louisville, and raising my blood pressure on a consistent basis.

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GrayGhost77

Centennial, CO
Please no! With Clawson as their offensive coordinator, Tennessee suffered its worst statistical offensive season in over 30 years.

His career record is 130-122. Not exactly lighting a fire under the excitement box. I don't love the Lewis hire, but I would rather take a chance on a guy who might energize our program with youth and energy. I would not want to make this decision (actually yes I would), can't please all of us know it all fans!
His record is going to not look as good given he's had to run around several moribund programs. Gonna have some losing records before you see some winning ones, and that's what he's done everywhere he's been. I'd put little stock in the small partial season data point that was his record as an OC at Tennessee. He wouldn't be hired to be the OC, he'd be the head coach and I'm sure he'd be bringing in another OC. His resume reminds me a lot of a Jerry Kill type resume, which I would be more than okay with someone like a Jerry Kill.
 
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Please no! With Clawson as their offensive coordinator, Tennessee suffered its worst statistical offensive season in over 30 years.

His career record is 130-122. Not exactly lighting a fire under the excitement box. I don't love the Lewis hire, but I would rather take a chance on a guy who might energize our program with youth and energy. I would not want to make this decision (actually yes I would), can't please all of us know it all fans!
Kind of a weird reason to dislike him. He was there 1 year, 2008, and has 2 successful HC stints since. I'm more worried about him when it comes to recruiting and see him and a high floor, low ceiling stability type hire. I think he'd definitely bring us some respectability and make us competitive in the west.
 
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Wow, these coaches' salaries.
It's absolutely insane. Yet, it's what the market bears.

Oh, and get ready for huge dollars flowing into the SEC starting in 2024 when ESPN takes over the top broadcast rights for SEC games. It's a very very good time, to be a good D1 football coach.
 
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illiniCA

DC Area
You can't list all those in conference rivals and then list his overall record. His conference record was 11-29. Lovie was 10-33 in the B1G btw...
Based on those records I assume he would do significantly better than lovie based on competition alone
 
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The more I look at Clawson, the more I like him. That dude seems like a legitimate football coach. His record of building programs is pretty outstanding.
Wake Forest is possibly the worst job in P5 - You are always going to be 4th in your state and people will always compare you unfavorably to Duke. It's one thing to catch lightning in a bottle and win every so often, but Clawson has consistently won at WF. That is awfully impressive
 
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KBLEE

Montgomery, IL
Get ready for a Bielema announcement today. I believe negotiations started a week ago in NJ, and deal was all but sealed yesterday. I also believe his family arrived in town last night.

(FYI, I do not have any connections to Illini administration)

I'm beginning to think this is JW just chiming in to throw us off the scent of the real target.
 
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Kind of a weird reason to dislike him. He was there 1 year, 2008, and has 2 successful HC stints since. I'm more worried about him when it comes to recruiting and see him and a high floor, low ceiling stability type hire. I think he'd definitely bring us some respectability and make us competitive in the west.
I don't dislike him as a coach, it just reminds me of what we have already been through. If we are looking at recent success, he is finishing his 7th year with a 4 and 4 record, with losses to NC state and Louisville. I am in favor of an upward projection after 7 years in. Energy and youth can build quickly.
 
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