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It's for sure possible. Still looking at and gathering evidence. Again, just a reminder, the panel does not have to make a decision right away
Our AD is very professional and sharp, I'm sure he and University leadership had a high bar to allow TSJ to play in October/November. Is it likely they saw air tight proof of innocence?
Deon Thomas was similarly (mis)treated. For four long years. Never heard a peep from the host schools' administrations about their badly behaved students. Especially the racist taunts in Evanston.
stlrunner
jakeyjakey
- St Louis, MO
Nah. Let’s have several more posts with Kansas statutes, and the terms “digital penetration” and “misrepresentation.” Haha.
I hope this episode influences AD sponsored player training when they get into our program. The reality is that this was not a wise decision by player to get in this situation. That said, I would expect university player sex harassment training will get a good review...and I have confidence in JW and BU to apply lessons learned here.
We live in a very litigious society ... all it takes is a " he said ...she said" scenario to cut a college athletic career short.
I hope Shannon is cleared ultimately, but I don't see a scenario where he is on a court with Illini uniform again.
We live in a very litigious society ... all it takes is a " he said ...she said" scenario to cut a college athletic career short.
I hope Shannon is cleared ultimately, but I don't see a scenario where he is on a court with Illini uniform again.
See Deon Thomas.
I believe we have this.
skyIdub
Winged Warrior
No amount of training is going to stop young men (especially famous ones, because of the relative ease) from pursuing casual relationships with the opposite sex.
The scenario that keeps running through my mind is as follows: The powers that be are confident that TSJ is innocent. Had this occurred in C-U, someone could get information from the authorities as to whether the allegations have any merit. Here, it doesn't seem like Lawrence/Douglas County is giving out any information. While the panel might be strongly convinced of his innocence after hearing TSJ's side, they might be unwilling to halt the suspension on such a high-profile case involving a rape charge purely based on the word of TSJ and his friends, regardless of how persuasive their case is.
I don't know that there's anything stopping Douglas County, Kansas from keeping the case active for six months, waiting for some evidentiary lightning bolt to strike, reamining silent on the details and then quietly dropping the case in July or whenever if nothing happens. Meanwhile, the UI panel is gun-shy about taking action for fear (unfounded as it might be) that they'll get blind-sided by some secret evidence the day after they lift the suspension.
Captain 14
- The Last Best Place
So many lawyers. So little time.
Agreed young casual relationships are tough to stop
But on the player training, just think if you clearly relay a "you may lose your college sports career, even if you think you are innocent...." and present scenarios like we are discussing, players may wake up.. and players in bars need to protect each other from a bad outcome.
In corporate training I have had....accuser is always assumed right until proven otherwise....alot of hearings if its ever overturned.
Maybe I'm reading your statistics incorrectly, but over 12,000 of the total 56,000 enrolled at the University this fall are international students which is about 22%, not 7%. Or maybe you were only counting from other U.S. states.
It may not be the most likely outcome, but multiple insiders have already told us that there are scenarios where he plays again. I’ll give you one scenario. She recants and the charges are dropped.
Someone said yesterday that Illinois has sent someone that has investigated the charges in Lawrence. Some ex- FBI person that does vetting for the university on other things. No idea if that's true. From all the discussion here it sounds like they may be operating on a lot more than just what TSJ said.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
no such thing
there is just simply degrees of not guilty
That would be done in a civil trial after the criminal case has run its course. One which I’m sure is being prepared as we speak.
Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
The accuser can file civil charges for damages.
That’s not true. There can most certainly be proof of innocence outside the courtroom. Inside the courtroom, you are correct… there are only degrees of not guilty. “Guilty/Not Guily” only applies in the courtroom. Jaylon Tate had proof of his innocence (time stamped credit card receipts) and was able to prove his innocence and the charges were dropped, thereby never making it to a courtroom.
I was wondering how this news would affect the weekly rankings and found this article (link below) from CBS Sports. This one paragraph stood out to me:
"Right now, we still have more questions than answers, and I'm not interested in speculating much about how things might unfold. But one thing worth remembering in this era of college athletics -- and something I pointed out on Thursday's episode of the Eye On College Basketball podcast -- is that players rarely return after being charged with rape. It's one thing to be accused of a crime like this — but actually being charged is a whole different deal, one that's typically difficult to recover from, broadly speaking, now that universities all of the country have changed policies connected to how they deal with athletes who are charged with sexual assault."
Of course, that's just one writer's opinion, but seems pretty valid to me. Unless all charges are dropped quickly, I don't see how TSJ plays college basketball again. I hope something can be settled soon for all parties involved and TSJ gets back on the court as this team can be very, very good. And is to this point.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...-suspension-of-star-wing-terrence-shannon-jr/
"Right now, we still have more questions than answers, and I'm not interested in speculating much about how things might unfold. But one thing worth remembering in this era of college athletics -- and something I pointed out on Thursday's episode of the Eye On College Basketball podcast -- is that players rarely return after being charged with rape. It's one thing to be accused of a crime like this — but actually being charged is a whole different deal, one that's typically difficult to recover from, broadly speaking, now that universities all of the country have changed policies connected to how they deal with athletes who are charged with sexual assault."
Of course, that's just one writer's opinion, but seems pretty valid to me. Unless all charges are dropped quickly, I don't see how TSJ plays college basketball again. I hope something can be settled soon for all parties involved and TSJ gets back on the court as this team can be very, very good. And is to this point.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...-suspension-of-star-wing-terrence-shannon-jr/
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Based on your background then, how broad exactly does misrepresentation cover? If an amateur activity like college athlete of a specific sport would be covered, then I'd have to think almost anything could be covered. Are we talking mistaking a job title? lying about your hobbies or likes? Not disclosing you dye your hair or wear colored contacts, or that you wear lifts? Or that you're totally over your ex that you caught cheating on you with your best friend less than 24 hours ago? How far exactly does it go? Are you required by Kansas law to be 100% honest about everything or run the risk of legal action for rape if one of those lies or mistruths is what they say attracted them to you enough to have a sexual relationship?
I mean at some point, you go broad enough and most everyone misrepresents themselves in some ways. Where exactly is the line in Kansas or is that something that still is being played out in the courtroom?
Elephant in the room...what has more material and prestige value 1) Random football player on a non-bowl team or 2) basketball player on top 15 team who is on the All-American list?
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