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IlliniKat91

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illiniguy24 said:
Tbf she says the alleged incident lasted like 30 seconds…with about 10 seconds being the violating part
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Also, freezing is a real thing.

I was in a bar dancing with a friend's brother with my husband a few feet away. My friend's brother -- drunk out of his mind -- decided to lick a line up my neck. I froze instead of cussing him out, despite every last part of me screaming to do just that. By the time it was over, it seemed too trivial a thing to make any kind fuss over, so I let it go. That wasn't even as shocking as having someone grope your genitals.

That being said, her having to look him up later and him having another girl on his arm seem fishy to me. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
 
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Navy_illini

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Reading through the docs the DA has to prove with witnesses that they even interacted. Video doesn’t show it. To me if the defense has a few witnesses that say they were with TSJ during that time and did not see them together it will be a tough case. If the DA proves they did interact then to the next point. Might be hard if her friend doesn’t remember them together

Then the DA has to prove what she said occurred. There doesn’t seem to be any physical evidence underwear not ripped and no mention of DNA

I find it interesting that his legal team has exhibits of her searches of the team’s roster and what was the definition of sexual assault.


Also I think the defense might be able to prove she was drinking that day. That point doesn’t matter however it contradicts her statement that she only had a couple sips. If she was willing to bend the truth on that what else is inconsistent

It will be interesting what TSJ said in his statements depending on what he said could change what the DA has to prove. Also it will be interesting what TSJ denies occurring interacting with her at all or just the act

Also there is nothing about misrepresentation that I read in those docs
 
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LouHenson

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abchew2 said:
All you legal experts out there, is this something that’s more than a Hail Mary to hold up? I agree with the concept that he isn’t really getting the innocent until proven guilty treatment by being barred from furthering his future when he hasn’t been convicted of anything at this time. Could really save the university from the PR nightmare but also would render the panel useless for any future reviews I would think.
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the panel was conceived prior to NIL - NIL makes this a true “due process” issue with monitary damage. That says to me the panel is outdated already
 
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illinifan31 said:
Does the video evidence not corroborate because there are no videos in that room but they show both TSJ and this woman entering and leaving at overlapping times? Or because there ARE videos in the room and they literally never show them interacting? Those are two very different things.
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So i wondered this as well, and as i’ve been told by someone works at the bar the cameras in the room only point at the bar where they serve drinks, and the door. I was actually in this room that night. Unfortunately not at the same time as shannon. It’s a private room at the bar that you only get into if you know someone or are someone. I would assume attractive girls are invited in, but can’t confirm that. I’ll say that when i was in there it was not pitch black and not body to body. At that time it would’ve been impossible for this to happen without someone noticing, but later in the night it is possible that it was more crowded.
 
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OB positive said:
If he is legally available, of course you play him. Why would you even ask that, wtf.
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I don’t think it is as easy as you make it. He has a court date on 18 Jan. How many other court dates will he have between then and April. Does his charges become a distraction in the locker room? You know he will hear it on the road. Are all the players ok with him playing. It is easy to say play him but you have to make sure it is the right decision for the team. Also what is the university leadership view on the situation and does that matter to BU?
 
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chief_1104

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zentrails said:
I'm only on the third line and I see a gross grammatical error. Jeez, let the Kansas jokes begin
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I also find it a little curious on item 6. Nothing airtight by any means but just a little strange.

If the girls were leaving the bar and at the door, then turned allegedly turned around to go back to TJ - how did she have a drink in her hand (and a cell phone in the other)?

I've definitely left a bar with a drink before. I've also definitely chugged a drink on my way out and handed the glass to the bouncer. But - if youre in a crowded bar where you can't move its usually hard as hell to get a drink. And when my drink is gone and I can't get another - that's usually my cue to leave.

Like I said - not airtight, but definitely curious.
 
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battle

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Get yourself a new map said:
I need to know which hand she was claiming because her story could completely fall apart based on that.
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A 1 foot height difference? from behind and from the side and all in 1 minute??? Neither female friend in one arm or male friend standing next to him (same side or other side as female?) are interviewed??? Do they notice or in the way? Also trying to see CSI show replicate physical impossibility
 
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illinifan31

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If I'm reading the affidavit right, she left the bar shortly after then returned to the bar a little bit later and stayed for another hour? That is just weird behavior to me. That's the biggest thing that jumps out to me.
 
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Zweebs

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Not going to focus on how the interaction went because we'll likely never know for certain. What we do know now is that there is no video evidence, physical evidence, or direct witnesses to the incident. Was the intent of this charge always to force a settlement?
 
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PattyOBryant

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IlliniKat91 said:
Also, freezing is a real thing.

I was in a bar dancing with a friend's brother with my husband a few feet away. My friend's brother -- drunk out of his mind -- decided to lick a line up my neck. I froze instead of cussing him out, despite every last part of me screaming to do just that. By the time it was over, it seemed too trivial a thing to make any kind fuss over, so I let it go. That wasn't even as shocking as having someone grope your genitals.

That being said, her having to look him up later and him having another girl on his arm seem fishy to me. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
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I didn't see anything in the report that made me say, "No way. That didn't happen." It all seemed plausible to me. Crowded bar. Drunk people everywhere. Loud music and confusion. Fear. Disbelief. I can see a scenario where this happens.

I can also see a scenario where, as hard as it may be to believe (sarcasm), that some young lady in Kansas doesn't know who a certain college athlete may be and does have to try to use pictures to identify them. Again, not really out of the realm of possibility and doesn't point to some grand conspiracy.

Bringing the charges they did with what appears to be a complete lack of evidence seems like a case built on a very shaky foundation.

Like you said, it's going to be interesting to see how it plays out.
 
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Jimbo

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illinifan31 said:
If I'm reading the affidavit right, she left the bar shortly after then returned to the bar a little bit later and stayed for another hour? That is just weird behavior to me. That's the biggest thing that jumps out to me.
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My friend at the university said “ someone in Kansas is helpimg him because some of his players have fallen victim to her”. I wonder if this is something she has done before. Now i’m possibly victim blaming but this just doesn’t smell right.
 
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punchabove33 said:
Um. how the heck this does happen? TSJ had one arm another lady.. the other hand doing some type of magic lock picking without anyone noticing... It must be a super short skirt. In my limited experience, this is not easy...

I call BS on this otherwise, TSJ should be the next Harry Houdini!
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And they claim that the accuser "couldn't do anything because she had a drink in one hand and her phone in the other." My wife would sure know what to do in this situation.
 
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LvilleILL said:
The university is working with both Shannon and his lawyers...all I will say.

I think with everything they have gathered it's pretty clear Shannon is innocent of the charges brought against him
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I am not a Coach K fan, and I dont know if he has written more than 1 book, but I remember someone telling me a story from a Coach K book, probably mid-90s that his assistant coach informed him he was going to leave to take a head coaching job because it was a pay raise. Coach K's response "Sue me, we'll settle out of court." The suggestion being the assistant could make the money and stay...this sort of feels like that.

That being said, imo they (TSJ and UofI) should be working together if the U of I feels TSJ is, in fact, innocent. This accusation hurts them both. If there is any doubt on the university's part then they should not be complicit in this situation.
 
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ChiefIlliniwek2

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Ghost77 said:
I have read the docs, but would encourage you to read my post again without the orange colored glasses on. Again, I think the evidence is flimsy and shoddy but the fact remains that a charge was filed, a warrant issued for arrest, and a criminal case in progress. The university has a process in place to which they followed and the result was a suspension. I simply don't believe a court of law is going to get invovled in a matter like this to rule on how a university discipline panel should operate, esepcially when it seems clear that no civil rights are being violated. Further, if an injunction is granted and they play him without panel reinstatement, that's basically the university admitting that it's own process is flawed and broken (which it very well may be) and I don't believe the university would that. Would be much better to have the panel reinstate him and then play him or better yet the case dismissed.
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I would assume that there are people associated with UI that could run it by people in the court system (off the record) prior to filing.
 
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Illini in Indiana

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This seems like a game of chess to me between lawyers. The national media is not picking holes in the DA affidavit, yet! The reinstatement filing allow TSJ story to come out in the press. The next week will be interesting as his side of the story gets out.
 
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Navy_illini

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For the legal scholars what are the chances the restraining order gets granted?

Also TSJ legal team was smart laying out the facts on the table
 
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