I presume that means someone who looked like TSJ was in the frame at some point close in time, then exited the frame in the direction of the alleged incident and/or the reverse (was off-camera, then entered the frame after the incident).Ha yeah I know.... though am having trouble reconciling the notion of a video depicting someone (or anything, for that matter) "off-camera".
Yeah but some peoples virtue must be signaled. Won’t anybody think of their needs?This perfectly summarizes why some of us are so annoyed by some people lecturing us about the seriousness of the charge or that Illinois is a respected academic institution or that sexual assault victims didn’t receive justice 20 years ago … I’m not running for office! I’m not assembling a platform! I don’t care about anything but the facts in this case that we have available and whether or not they seem like enough to accuse TJ of such a serious offense. Personally, I think everyone here knows deep down that they do NOT seem like enough. And I’d wager some are doing some serious mental gymnastics and word salad just to painstakingly appear in a certain light on the *issue of sexual assault* or something, leading to condescending accusations that we are like “looking at this through O&B glasses.”
Each case is different. And so far, this case stinks to high Heaven. And nobody should be talked down to for coming to that (rather obvious IMO) conclusion here.
Dr. R. Canal.....DDSDr. Decay...D.D.S.?
That's my birthday, would be a great present and all I wantHere is the Notice of Removal that was filed. It includes Hobson's Verified Statement and the Lawrence PD's Investigative Reports re: the surveillance video, cell phone imaging, and statements of the accuser and her friend.
Per the Federal Court docket, U of I's response to the Motion for a Temporary Restraining Order is not due until 1/23/24, which is the standard time for a response to a motion. TSJ would probably then have 7 days to file a reply.
This is why some of us are annoyed that anyone can think they have a crystal clear picture that this is all a fabricated event that never happened. You can’t know that. Do people sometimes make up false claims for some revenge or profit. Sure they do. But seemingly good people do bad things too. I have no problem with people saying he should be playing while this plays out, I don’t agree with that, but understand it.This perfectly summarizes why some of us are so annoyed by some people lecturing us about the seriousness of the charge or that Illinois is a respected academic institution or that sexual assault victims didn’t receive justice 20 years ago … I’m not running for office! I’m not assembling a platform! I don’t care about anything but the facts in this case that we have available and whether or not they seem like enough to accuse TJ of such a serious offense. Personally, I think everyone here knows deep down that they do NOT seem like enough. And I’d wager some are doing some serious mental gymnastics and word salad just to painstakingly appear in a certain light on the *issue of sexual assault* or something, leading to condescending accusations that we are like “looking at this through O&B glasses.”
Each case is different. And so far, this case stinks to high Heaven. And nobody should be talked down to for coming to that (rather obvious IMO) conclusion here.
Or whether IANAL.Everyone now needs to start every post by informing us whether or not they are a lawyer.
Name 3.Not a lawyer but currently doing contract reviews so I know a bunch of legal words
"We ended up returning to Champaign from Lawrence the morning of September 9, around 4:30 a.m." Seems like he could mean they left Lawrence at 4:30am."Item 14 in the affidavit from detective Josh Leitner says "The video also showed a person identical to Shannon off camera in the same area where <victim's name redacted> was off camera."
If it were as obvious as TSJ being on the trip home at the time the incident occurred, I'm sure that would be a major point of emphasis from TSJ's attorneys. Perhaps Hobson meant they left at 4:30am, or was mistaken about the time of arrival.
arbitration, mediation, grievance.Name 3.
Great post and thanks.And yet, despite my best efforts to be impartial, I still want to know whether TSJ is "good" or "bad". I want to know if he "did it" or not. I want concrete information to tell me whether to root for him unequivocally or to write him off entirely. I'm not proud of this inclination, but at our core, morality and the desire to be one of the "good guys" is really what drives us all, and this is no more than an expression of that desire. The fact that I regard almost everyone in the world as striving for good within their own worldview, though I hold that at the core of my identity, helps only a little.
Damn! You really do know a bunch of legal words. And if you were curious, IANAL.arbitration, mediation, grievance.
I am ready to take the bar
That’s how I read it, that they left Kansas at 4:30 heading back to Champaign.. Perhaps Hobson meant they left at 4:30am, or was mistaken about the time of arrival.
Probably no more than arraignment and scheduling the preliminary hearing. Prosecutors generally don't tender pretrial discovery (police reports, witness statements, Bruton material, list of witnesses, etc) until after the prelim, although defense counsel can expedite that thru a subpoena duces tecum.ignoring the TRO entirely, he is still scheduled to appear next thursday.
does anyone have any idea what to expect from this? not in terms of the outcome but in terms of what is happening with the case during that appearance
I took that as he (or someone who looks like him) was seen on camera in that area at some point immediately prior to or after the time of the alleged incident, but was off camera at the time of the alleged incident.Ha yeah I know.... though am having trouble reconciling the notion of a video depicting someone (or anything, for that matter) "off-camera".
heartbreakingShannon: "If sidelined now, to 'wait until the criminal case is over,' my life as I know it will be ruined"
In a 1,366-word letter addressed to members the UI student-athlete conduct panel five days after he was suspended, Terrence Shannon Jr. wrote: "I worked my whole life to develop awww.news-gazette.com
No that would do it for me. Still think it was fantastic post though since we don't know exactly what is shown or not shown on the camera.“No amount of time, in all likelihood, will reveal what really happened in that bar on that day at that hour”
So the security cam showing them at the time wouldn’t do it for you? What if the camera shows they never interacted, as TSJ filing alleges?
I would be shocked if #2 happens. Brad isn't just gonna override the court.so since i now know that the case won't resolve until at least 90 days after next thursday, there are three possible outcomes
1. shannon is not granted the TRO
2. shannon is granted the TRO, so it falls to underwood to end his season. he does this.
3. shannon is granted the TRO and underwood plays him as though nothing happened.
i don't know how #2 would go, but #3 puts you at risk of a steve alford situation. i do not want to do that. the season's results would feel kinda gross until the case is worked out.
Agree. The only thing being “off-camera” proves is you weren’t on camera. No way to prove what you were doing out of frame.Ha yeah I know.... though am having trouble reconciling the notion of a video depicting someone (or anything, for that matter) "off-camera".