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texillwek
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That statement always troubled me, and it reflects poorly on teachers. I always wondered whom taught them how to do? It was not self-taught because they did not have the prior knowledge to do so. As a career and retired army veteran, teaching/training was at the forefront if not the prime fundamental of leadership. not only did you have to do, but it was imperative you had the ability to teach. They were the opposite sides of the same coin one without the other was incomplete. So, a better mantra would be "Those who can do, teach; those can't learn.
Isn’t the “autonomous” three person panel a university thing rather than an athletics thing? If so, not sure what you expect Josh to do, declare that though that might be universally policy the athletic department won’t recognize or enforce the decision? I wouldn’t be surprised if behind closed doors, at least part of Josh wants to see Terrance prevail. But I certainly don’t expect him to commit a fireable offense and give up $1.5M a year — especially when I’m guessing the large majority of schools that might hire him after he was fired have a very similar policy.
It is my understanding Josh created the panel when he was hired in 2016? That is totally fine, or was totally fine in 2016. Things have changes since then NiL has made this not as simple as suspension and pull the scholarship. The UI needs to admit that the process needs review on these levels:
1). The accused must have the right to present legally to this board
2) The nature of likelyhood of conviction must be taken into account. If this DA had any evidence other this accuser said he did if, I am much more comfortable - smoking gun concept
3). NIL at what happens, perhaps that can be addressed prior to even getting to the panel?
If the job of the panel is what to do in the “interim” while the case awaits to go to court. Which is were it lives - his words not mine - it failed IMHO in this case miserably in this case. This is clearly a case where letting the court case continue in parallel to his playing is the best, or at least worst option. Just my opinion, the process does not work if this case leads to ultimate suspension of the rest of his college career.
I think too many people are seeing this as TSJ v UI when in reality it’s just him trying to say “don’t make me miss my dream because of this process.” Public has known about this for 2 weeks but it really has been hanging over him for 4 months. Looking at how frail the case against him appears, he has a right to fight it to the end. The TRO is him asking to still continue forward as innocent until proven guilty. At that time the NBA or whoever can decide how to handle it.
those saying this will cause change to UI policy or other institution’s policy on handling these zero tolerance policy are just hyperbole. The policy will most likely stay as is. That is designed to say “when this broad event happens, enact these guidelines.” What TSJ is asking is for his specific scenario to be looked at and ruled on outside of the university. Judge makes a ruling and everyone saves face.
#FreeTSJ
those saying this will cause change to UI policy or other institution’s policy on handling these zero tolerance policy are just hyperbole. The policy will most likely stay as is. That is designed to say “when this broad event happens, enact these guidelines.” What TSJ is asking is for his specific scenario to be looked at and ruled on outside of the university. Judge makes a ruling and everyone saves face.
#FreeTSJ
Then there's everyone's favorite urologist, Dr. John Benedict in Cincinnati 
The U of I has been around for more than 150 years, I'm pretty certain it will survive any criticism it receives if Shannon is reinstated.
Retro62
- North Bethesda, Maryland
In education, that is often true of the administrator vis-a-vis the teacher as well.
Wife's OBYGN was named Dr. Beaver. We called him the beaver Dr.
Let's break this down to its simplest terms although that is somewhat laughable because it is far from simple. Josh handed down an indefinite suspension. Proper and part of his job. Can you imagine if he did nothing. So due process requires a independent review by the committee. They uphold because they find there is credible evidence of a serious crime being committed. They did not do any significant fact sensitive investigation but they were not a rubber stamp either. They relied on the charging affidavit. Preponderance of the evidence standard that is probably ok in vast majority of instances. But to get there you have to assume that Douglas County did their job properly and fairly and after doing that Douglas County found credible evidence of a serious crime being committed. Well not credible to properly file the charges there has to be probable cause a serious crime was committed. Think about that
Agree, but if Terrance does not play this year, I will have lost respect for Whitman and Illinois.The least Whitman can do is issue a statement sometime down the road, that Terrance was screwed by an overzealous DA, and a false accusation.
I would argue it’s even simpler than that. With a judge ruling Illinois has to reinstate him, it clears Illinois from any of the blowback of reinstating him themselves.
It’s court of public opinion legal chess and honestly it’s kind of genius.
I had a neurosurgeon there at Carle (I think) named Dr Harms. He was great!
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
this has been my take on this since it was announced last week .
privately and off the record , I believe this has been JW’s advice to TSJ all along once the 3 person panel upheld the suspension .
Probably the crux of what I said but in wayyy fewer words.
In his own statement, TJ says they (he and friends) spent the entire evening after the football game at the bar. The game wasn't over until 10pm. It's a 6 1/2 hour drive. I think we can safely assume they were not home at 4:30 am the next day.
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uiba99
I'd rather be at Allerton
It's *possible* I guess. There are two ways of looking at it. The first is that all you really have to do in an affidavit or complaint is establish probable cause (the 'more likely than not' 50+1 standard). The other way of looking at it is that you jam all the info in there that you can to make your case as strong as possible. I knew prosecutors who would have complaints that were a paragraph long and some that had complaints that were pages and pages long (in Wisconsin, we would do complaints and preliminary hearings as opposed to grand juries and indictments).
I was a little bit in between, where I wouldn't put EVERYTHING in there but I'd make sure I had my bases covered. And honestly, I don't know why anyone wouldn't err on the side of too much info without overloading it.
So yes, it is possible but it would seem strange, given the high profile, to hold that sort of evidence back.
I wouldn't want to speculate but...I am going to speculate LOL. I suspect the case is crap.
Hate to be technical but what the have is probable cause for the issuance of an arrest warrant. That is not a full blown determination of probable cause a crime was committed. There is a differenceIt's *possible* I guess. There are two ways of looking at it. The first is that all you really have to do in an affidavit or complaint is establish probable cause (the 'more likely than not' 50+1 standard). The other way of looking at it is that you jam all the info in there that you can to make your case as strong as possible. I knew prosecutors who would have complaints that were a paragraph long and some that had complaints that were pages and pages long (in Wisconsin, we would do complaints and preliminary hearings as opposed to grand juries and indictments).
I was a little bit in between, where I wouldn't put EVERYTHING in there but I'd make sure I had my bases covered. And honestly, I don't know why anyone wouldn't err on the side of too much info without overloading it.
So yes, it is possible but it would seem strange, given the high profile, to hold that sort of evidence back.
I wouldn't want to speculate but...I am going to speculate LOL. I suspect the case is crap.
I can’t be the only one that went to My Cousin Vinny from this right? Jerry Gallow? I said Jerry Callo!
I don't believe the U of I board is in cahoots with TSJs camp and this lawsuit is all for show to avoid any public scrutiny to reinstating him if that's the implication. The university is going to defend its processes vigorously for institutional reasons that are bigger than one case or athlete.
As an aside, in the government employment context, a government employer can and would likely indefinitely suspend its employee under similar circumstances as TSJ is facing. I.e. only facing a charge and potential for imprisonment on such a serious charge. This is not the same exact scenario obviously. I'm just saying that this type of suspension does occur even if you are presumed innocent in criminal court. It's not typically viewed as discipline but more like an interim measure while the criminal case plays out.
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KBLEE
- Montgomery, IL
The word suspension is frowned upon in this type of situation,it’s more likely administrative leave with pay until the conclusion of the case unless the employee somehow clearly violated some work rules related to the charges.Suspension is more of a punishment without being found guilty yet which most likely requires the employee to get back pay if he/she was found not guilty or the charges later dropped.
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theNewGuy
- Dallas, TX
Just some thoughts I had...
I think that the university policy is great and does it's job.
As much as I want to criticize it, I agree with their decisions to this point.
The whole problem seems to be the premature charging of TJ before any facts/statements other than that of the accuser were looked into.
The University Panel is not a detective agency and they are not privy to much more info than us.
What the panel sees is that there was enough evidence against TJ to charge him with felony rape.
That's the main information they have to go on.
Knowing what we know now though, I feel like there is enough evidence in TJ's favor to revert the suspension.
I think that the university policy is great and does it's job.
As much as I want to criticize it, I agree with their decisions to this point.
The whole problem seems to be the premature charging of TJ before any facts/statements other than that of the accuser were looked into.
The University Panel is not a detective agency and they are not privy to much more info than us.
What the panel sees is that there was enough evidence against TJ to charge him with felony rape.
That's the main information they have to go on.
Knowing what we know now though, I feel like there is enough evidence in TJ's favor to revert the suspension.
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