TSJ Thread

[Champaign88]

Were you ever at Kams? Not saying I've ever seen a guy just start fingering a woman within 10 seconds of her walking over it but definitely seen sexual acts in bars.

Yeah, this happens all the time on campus bars. Not the 10 seconds of walking over to her as you say… but certainly between two willing and tipsy coeds.

People would sneak into Kams basement and have some fun…

A girl that slept with half the football team got happily Eiffel Towered on the dance floor by two football players one night I was there…

I’m sure there’s plenty of consensual fingering while dancing going on at campus bars every weekend…

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[nichi]

I agree that the investigation doesn't come across as robust, but I don't know all that they have/haven't done or why. TSJ's camp also hasn't released any witness statements that clearly exonerate him or contradict her account, so I'm not sure this amounts to anything (yet).

How does a witness clearly exonerate someone of an incident that only lasted 30 seconds?

 

[FloridaMan]

Yeah, this happens all the time on campus bars. Not the 10 seconds of walking over to her as you say… but certainly between two willing and tipsy coeds.

People would sneak into Kams basement and have some fun…

A girl that slept with half the football team got happily Eiffel Towered on the dance floor by two football players one night I was there…

I’m sure there’s plenty of consensual fingering while dancing going on at campus bars every weekend…

Delete if inappropriate…

Yes, of course. But this case involves NON CONSENSUAL, non dance - floor related activity, while another girl is "on the accused's arm" (stated by the complainant). Everyone try to keep our eyes on the ball here.

 

[uiba99]

50+1 is a preponderance if the evidence, not probable cause, which is whether there are facts that would lead a reasonably prudent person to believe an offense was committed. It is more than a reasonable articulable suspicion, but less than a preponderance.

LMAO I make no excuse for conflating the two as I now practice labor law and use preponderance of the evidence as the standard in most of my disciplinary and contractually based arbitrations. They're closer together than reasonable suspicion and beyond a reasonable doubt, but as I mentioned earlier, my previous office only charged when we could prove BRD at the time of charging anyway, so I never skated by on just PC.

 

[ThePortalMadeMeDoIt]

Idk guys. The more I sit and ponder, the more I think this move is designed to protect his NBA stock, which is ultimately what matters. I hope he has his day in court, I hope he is found not guilty, and I hope he makes a boat load in the NBA, but I’m less and less confident that the TRO gets granted

Who knows Friday is still a couple days away. We are still in the early stages of the bribe game I mean it is the state of Illinois after all.

 

[ever]

How does a witness clearly exonerate someone of an incident that only lasted 30 seconds?

If someone saw her have some sort of interaction with him that was clearly different from her account, like if she was initiating sexual contact, or too drunk to know what she claims to know

Or saw her come over and interact with him but she was never within reach.

Or was watching his hands the entire time from behind, and his hands never went where she said they did.

Or saw someone else's hands on her while she was near him.

Or heard her plotting with her friend beforehand.

Or heard her bragging afterwards about her encounter with him.

Edit: he can of course be innocent (and found innocent in court) despite not having any such witnesses, but a quick resolution might require something big like this.

 

[illnewi]

Were you ever at Kams? Not saying I've ever seen a guy just start fingering a woman within 10 seconds of her walking over it but definitely seen sexual acts in bars.

when i was in school, there was literally a girl known for being “red lion blow job girl” - yes, she gave someone a BJ at lion lol

 

[Big Jack]

Well… TSJ does have two arms.

yes he certainly does.. but unless the accuser is approximately 6' 6" there is no way in this world that he could possibly not bend over to get his arm in a position to be able to have his hand on her butt let alone slide her patties over and slide a finger inside her... it is just physically improbable. Also where or who is the other woman that was at the bar on TJs arm? She should be the defenses witness.

 

[nichi]

If someone saw her have some sort of interaction with him that was clearly different from her account, like if she was initiating sexual contact, or too drunk to know what she claims to know

Or saw her come over and interact with him but she was never within reach.

Or was watching his hands the entire time from behind, and his hands never went where she said they did.

Or saw someone else's hands on her while she was near him.

Or heard her plotting with her friend beforehand.

Or heard her bragging afterwards about her encounter with him.

Edit: he can of course be innocent (and found innocent in court) despite not having any such witnesses, but a quick resolution might require something big like this.

He needs a witness who recalls seeing him not doing something to come forward?

 

[Frank]

A girl that slept with half the football team got happily Eiffel Towered on the dance floor by two football players one night I was there…

 

[Navy_illini]

He needs a witness who recalls seeing him not doing something to come forward?

From the Yahoo article that was posted earlier

Hobson, the Illinois graduate assistant who was alongside Shannon that night, gave a statement to the Illini star’s attorneys. Although Hobson chaperoned Shannon and Harmon the whole night at the request of Illinois' assistant coaches, he says he didn’t witness any worrisome behavior.

“I am familiar with the alleged charges against [Shannon,] and I did not see any such thing occur at all,” Hobson wrote. “Nothing remotely close. And based on what I know about [Shannon], it would be completely out of character for him to ever do something like that.”

 

[skyIdub]

The number of posters commenting in these TSJ threads that I haven't seen commenting on basketball or football.....or other sports related threads.

No doubt during commercial breaks of Real Housewives, Keeping up with the Khardasiwhatevers, Jersey Shore, Vanderpump Rules, and Catfish.

 

[dbeverly26]

If this thread were a physical location I would be welding the door shut from the outside right now.

 

[dmb24illini]

Hey all...long time lurker, first time caller of the boards.

Just wanted to say two things about comments I keep seeing people post here.

1) "If the TRO is granted, are we sure Brad will even play TSJ?"

Brad is probably cheering for the TRO to be granted with orange & blue pom poms. He'll play TSJ for 38 minutes and relish in every bucket he puts up along the way the rest of the season. Can't wait to see that patented Brad smirk when TSJ catches on fire on the court.

2) "Can you imagine all the mean things opposing student sections and fans will be yelling at TSJ?"

Uh...if TSJ is innocent (as he proclaims), then why would he care what people say? I wouldn't. Any insult they hurl at him is irrelevant or like any other insult he probably always hears. The dude is laser focused on the court. People could yell "murderer!" or "rapist!" at me all they want...if I didn't actually do anything, then I'd just laugh at their foolishness and then kick their butt at basketball.

 

[Champaign88]

Yes, of course. But this case involves NON CONSENSUAL, non dance - floor related activity, while another girl is "on the accused's arm" (stated by the complainant). Everyone try to keep our eyes on the ball here.

Oh I’m not arguing anything about the case. Just replying to a post as additional examples of crazy things that happened at campus bars because some posters couldn’t believe that any college kids do these types of acts in bars even consensually.

 

[Noblesville Illini]

Dr. Wink was my first optometrist in Davenport

My wife has had two doctors with great names……Dr. Dye and Dr. Parrish!!! Can’t make this up, folks!

 

[ever]

He needs a witness who recalls seeing him not doing something to come forward?

I was initially responding to a discussion of LPD's incompetence and what it would take for the DIA to reinstate him (beyond a TRO).

I think something big (i.e. bigger than anything currently public) is probably required in order for the DIA to reinstate him and/or charges to be dropped. A witness that exonerates him is just one example.

There are plenty of ways he can still create reasonable doubt and win a jury trial, but that's of course less ideal.

 

[Oldskoolkoach]

Does anyone else here check the date the poster joined when evaluating their stance? This board sure has gained a lot of posters in the past couple weeks.

Yes, many many new names, or never noticed name of poster

 

[Get yourself a new map]

The DA could frame this as a situation where even the police don't take women seriously, so she had to push forward to get them to do their jobs (and it's possible that's true).

Not that I know anything- mostly just trying to say we don't know much yet.

Haha man that is just what this office needs - for the DA to accuse ANOTHER authority of sexism. Wouldn’t put it past her; seems like a one-tool player, at best.

 

[ChiIllini75]

No idea what happened, but can confirm as a 6'7" guy with a 5'5" wife there is no way he is doing the alleged deed without considerable crouching/bending that would be extremely noticeable. Even granting he may have a longer wingspan than mine it just feels beyond unlikely.

 

[illiniguy24]

Awfully quiet by the insiders outside of LVille the last couple days. Just feels like this is going to drag out.

 

[ugottabjoshinme]

yes he certainly does.. but unless the accuser is approximately 6' 6" there is no way in this world that he could possibly not bend over to get his arm in a position to be able to have his hand on her butt let alone slide her patties over and slide a finger inside her... it is just physically improbable. Also where or who is the other woman that was at the bar on TJs arm? She should be the defenses witness.

What if he was sitting and she walked over? There goes yours and everyone else’s argument about it not being physically possible.

This thread is full of too many assumptions about things we don’t know any information about.

 

[Travis1173]

I don't believe the U of I board is in cahoots with TSJs camp and this lawsuit is all for show to avoid any public scrutiny to reinstating him if that's the implication. The university is going to defend its processes vigorously for institutional reasons that are bigger than one case or athlete.

As an aside, in the government employment context, a government employer can and would likely indefinitely suspend its employee under similar circumstances as TSJ is facing. I.e. only facing a charge and potential for imprisonment on such a serious charge. This is not the same exact scenario obviously. I'm just saying that this type of suspension does occur even if you are presumed innocent in criminal court. It's not typically viewed as discipline but more like an interim measure while the criminal case plays out.

I in no way intended to insinuate they were in cahoots. Just that Shannon’s legal team has a genius loophole that also allows the university to not get egg on its face.

 

[AyoDos11]

Awfully quiet by the insiders outside of LVille the last couple days. Just feels like this is going to drag out.

I mean, nothing is really supposed to happen until the hearing on Friday. What are they supposed to say?

 

[skyIdub]

Awfully quiet by the insiders outside of LVille the last couple days. Just feels like this is going to drag out.

They generally get fed up with the comments and check out when things get obnoxious. I believe LVille posted exactly that a couple days ago.

Don't blame them at all. However you can find Indy and 0440 hiding in the Football Coaching Carousel thread....which is a way more fun topic.