If he plays without a much lesser plea deal, he’ll be in the spotlight as the player that is on the court playing ball pending the outcome of a felony rape charge. Up to this point, the media has been incredibly tame but that’s not going to be the case if he starts playing and this goes to trial. I don’t want to speak in absolutes since I don’t think anyone knows the domino effect that we could potentially see but I’m not sure how playing in itself improves his stock. Personally, I think he has a chance of seeing the floor. I’m torn on whether that’s a good thing.
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All of it. Literally anything she and her clerks can find that might provide guidance on how she should resolve the issues in the petition. The stuff she was already provided by both sides, but also anything else they can locate via their own efforts.
Between the briefs of the two parties, there were dozens of cases cited, so it could be any of them.
illini55
- The Villages, FL
The lawyers involved submitted a ****load of citations (legal term of art) and she and her law clerks will be reading those and trying to determine the level of bull**** involved. I hate to tell you guys this, but lawyers sometimes stretch the meaning of cases to try to make a point, even if there's no real point to be made. In a list of citations numbering 100 or more, maybe 3-5 will be pertinent.
This really will be a landmark ruling on her shoulders as this is one of the if not the first case if it’s kind. She wants to ensure she understands everything and doesn’t make a snap judgement. This is much more common than people think. Even in smaller things such as a DUI summary suspension hearing a judge will take a day or 2 to make a ruling. So something of this magnitude I imagine she will do her own research on the case law both sides presented today. Look into those rulings from the previous cases laid out in court today and make her decision next week sometime would be my best educated guess. But until then there’s nothing much to take from today. From what I’ve been told both sides made strong arguments and it’s a coin flip scenario on which way she will rule.
Gotcha.
Will MN be required to attend the January 18th hearing? I assume she's not involved with these Shannon vs. U of I ones.
All things considered, for TJ's sake, I think the scouts know exactly what he brings to draft day.
Sure, it woud be nice for us if he brought us a NC or at least an extended season, and it wouldn't hurt his stock any either.
But I think he'll be fine come time for the 2024 draft. He's still gonna make a lot of money.
Sure, it woud be nice for us if he brought us a NC or at least an extended season, and it wouldn't hurt his stock any either.
But I think he'll be fine come time for the 2024 draft. He's still gonna make a lot of money.
Likely all of the cases referenced in each side's arguments...
highly unlikely.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
the accuser ? no
Does anybody (insiders??) know if TSJ made it to his 8am NIL engagement the morning after the game? In his sworn statement, Geoff Alexander says:
"I knew that TJ had previously been in a car accident when he fell asleep behind the wheel and that he had an NIL related appointment in Champaign, Illinois at 8:00 a.m. Saturday, September 9, 2023."
There's been some question lately about whether Dyshawn Hobson (the grad assistant) meant that he, TSJ and Justin Harmon arrived in CU at 4am or whether they left Lawrence at 4am. If they left at 4am, there's no way TSJ made it to his NIL appointment on time, seeing as it's roughly a 6.5 hour drive from Lawrence to CU. If they arrived home at 4am, there's no way TSJ was in the bar between 12am - 1am. To my knowledge, TSJ has never stated that he wasn't in the bar at the time of the alleged incident. But I don't believe he, or anyone in his camp, has confirmed he was, either.
It's possible that the trio left Lawrence at 1:30am, drove straight through with no stops and/or at a greatly accellerated speed and made it to CU just in time for the 8am event. But that would make Hobson's 4am account, whichever way he meant it, grossly inaccurate.
So whether TSJ made it to his NIL appointment adds a very interesting wrinkle to the case.
"I knew that TJ had previously been in a car accident when he fell asleep behind the wheel and that he had an NIL related appointment in Champaign, Illinois at 8:00 a.m. Saturday, September 9, 2023."
There's been some question lately about whether Dyshawn Hobson (the grad assistant) meant that he, TSJ and Justin Harmon arrived in CU at 4am or whether they left Lawrence at 4am. If they left at 4am, there's no way TSJ made it to his NIL appointment on time, seeing as it's roughly a 6.5 hour drive from Lawrence to CU. If they arrived home at 4am, there's no way TSJ was in the bar between 12am - 1am. To my knowledge, TSJ has never stated that he wasn't in the bar at the time of the alleged incident. But I don't believe he, or anyone in his camp, has confirmed he was, either.
It's possible that the trio left Lawrence at 1:30am, drove straight through with no stops and/or at a greatly accellerated speed and made it to CU just in time for the 8am event. But that would make Hobson's 4am account, whichever way he meant it, grossly inaccurate.
So whether TSJ made it to his NIL appointment adds a very interesting wrinkle to the case.
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OSCR deals with the exact same scenarios and has multiple levels of due process protection. So, why the difference, outside of administrative bias?
This just sucks. As a fan of Illinois basketball and this team in particular. Last year's team frustrated the absolute !!!! out of me. I cussed at the TV more than my entire life because I knew the talent was there they just couldn't figure it out. This year's team is do well connected it could be SPECIAL. To see it potentially get ruined by this is heartbreaking. The ceiling without TJ is just so much lower. I hate all of this might end up being a what could have been. So frustrated!!!
I do kind of agree that not playing has some impact on his draft status. I'd think the bigger concern in drafting a player in his situation is that he could be convicted and incarcerated for the next 30 years or whatever the sentencing range is. While this board has acquitted tsj, his criminal case still currently is pending in Kansas. He needs to take care of that case asap. The fact that his lawyers felt the need to file a TRO gives me cause for concern that the negotiations on the criminal side did not yield much progress. But I will wait patiently and hopefully.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
the NIL deal was on Sunday morning
Next week is arraignment at which Judge will schedule a date for the prelim.
Missing most of what is likely his final season of eligibility already does irreparable harm. Period.
He earned the privilege of playing college basketball at a high level. If the rest of his season is taken away without just cause; that loss can't be restored.
That would be true even if he wasn't an NBA prospect.
Me too…..like how our season is going without this distraction.
Unfortunately, I think a big appeal of drafting veteran/older players is getting guys that are hard workers, good locker room, and generally good character. All of these are things you would've said about TJ just two weeks ago. I expect that these charges will have a larger effect on his draft stock (should they stick) for what they suggest about him as a person, not what they prevent some from continuing to see on the basketball court. I'm not saying those conclusions should be drawn (while we wait for clarity on the charges), but they will, for sure as long as they stand, and possibly even with dismissal.
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1. This only affects TSJ's ability to participate in basketball team activities. His scholarship, ability to attend school and even to use DIA facilities are not affected.
2. Due to their heightened visibility, student-athletes have to agree to a code of conduct that goes beyond what other students are subject to under OSCR.
3. Scholarships and other benefits provided to student-athletes serve as a form of consideration for agreeing to live under additional rules.
Does a suspension by the university impact eligibility from an NCAA perspective? It would seem that the least harmful outcome for all parties would be to treat the athlete as a redshirt altogether until the suspension is resolved permanently one way or the other, equivalent to an injury.
Or I could just be going stir crazy from four snow days this week.
Or I could just be going stir crazy from four snow days this week.
Especially at Illinois, where we’ve witnessed admissions being so strict to policy, many gray area conditions were not allowed to our dismay.
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