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Miles Leonard said:
Me checking the TSJ thread for TSJ news and seeing completely unrelated discussions taking place

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I wanted to post on the previous two threads but both closed before I could comment. I find it very troubling that so many people are okay with TSJ being suspended without due process. My first instinct is that he doesn't seem like the guy to do this. Of course I don't know him personally and could be wrong BUT the DIA does not make legal conclusions but is nevertheless willing to punish him subject to a later determination. I don't buy the argument that he is not being harmed by the University suspending him. Regardless of financial implications of NIL and his NBA prospects he is harmed in not being able to play college basketball. That is no small thing! Other than claiming his innocence, I don't know if TSJ has mounted a defense and probably has not made much public in that regard (nor should he prior to an actual trial). If TSJ broke a specific team rule then the University is justified in suspending him. If they are just suspending him because of a charge against him then I say no way. Even this is elevated from the initial phase of an allegation, it only is elevated to the level of credible allegation based on the available evidence. As an example it could have been reported that the accuser had a witness that corroborates the story...... then it is later discovered this same witness previously conspired to blackmail somebody? None of us knows for sure. If this woman is telling the truth then I praise her courage m If she is lying I hope she pays a huge price. If TSJ did this I hope he is held accountable. It's possible that if the goes to a jury trial that the jury gets it wrong. Convicts an innocent man or let's a guilty man go free.... but the best we can hope to do is give due process.... that is not what is happening here. There is a reason we require guilt beyond a reasonable doubt for criminal charges. Can you imagine going to prison for a crime you didn't commit because a jury believed an accuser even though there was no direct physical evidence that you committed the crime? Innocent until proven guilty has become a fantasy anymore.... I will accept whatever outcome results from a fair due process..... punishing somebody before this occurs (and make no mistake, that is what is occurring) is wrong .... at worst the alleged perpetrator would be free to live his life until found guilty by a jury of his peers ....
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I think a lot of us are NOT ok with Shannon being suspended without due process. Many posts have attested as to how unfair this is to him and not in the spirit of innocense before guilt.

But a lot of us also know that organizations today are very public relations conscious as well as very litigation averse. So they tend to err on the side of what course of action they believe will further both of those aims the best and protect themselves the most... and everything else gets tossed aside.

One of the greatest offenses to an accused without due process is the damage done to one’s reputation that often stays with the person for the entire rest of their lives. How do you ‘repair’ a damaged reputation with so much of the public if it turns out that you were in fact innocent? You can’t. It’s an unfairness that one has have the strength of character to live with and get on with their lives the best way that they can.

Many of us have been uneasy from the beginning as to how this Shannon process has developed. And I for one have pleaded for the U to seriously review their current policy for possible amending to include for greater fairness for an accused.

The best that can be said is that true justice is of course determined and proper consequences assessed. And without a doubt... this experience is indeed a major learning event for Shannon, his accuser, the U, and many of us as we witness this process.

In any case, Illini Nation is still being robbed of an opportunity to watch one of the best young men to play for The Beloveds in their history. And we won’t be getting any restitution for THAT. And while this may not rise to the level of true justice being achieved in a serious situation... this is still no trivial loss for Illini fanatics.

Once again... things in Life intrude upon our lives. Turns we did not expect to take. And losses we hoped not to feel. That don't ever show up in the Loss Column of the Standings.
 
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Illini in Italy

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Roundball Sage said:
I think a lot of us are NOT ok with Shannon being suspended without due process. Many posts have attested as to how unfair this is to him and not in the spirit of innocense before guilt.

But a lot of us also know that organizations today are very public relations conscious as well as very litigation averse. So they tend to err on the side of what course of action they believe will further both of those aims the best and protect themselves the most... and everything else gets tossed aside.

One of the greatest offenses to an accused without due process is the damage done to one’s reputation that often stays with the person for the entire rest of their lives. How do you ‘repair’ a damaged reputation with so much of the public if it turns out that you were in fact innocent? You can’t. It’s an unfairness that one has have the strength of character to live with and get on with their lives the best way that they can.

Many of us have been uneasy from the beginning as to how this Shannon process has developed. And I for one have pleaded for the U to seriously review their current policy for possible amending to include for greater fairness for an accused.

The best that can be said is that true justice is of course determined and proper consequences assessed. And without a doubt... this experience is indeed a major learning event for Shannon, his accuser, the U, and many of us as we witness this process.

In any case, Illini Nation is still being robbed of an opportunity to watch one of the best young men to play for The Beloveds in their history. And we won’t be getting any restitution for THAT. And while this may not rise to the level of true justice being achieved in a serious situation... this is still no trivial loss for Illini fanatics.

Once again... things in Life intrude upon our lives. Turns we did not expect to take. And losses we hoped not to feel. That don't ever show up in the Loss Column of the Standings.
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It's firing that we haul out this quote, this week:

"Justice delayed, is justice denied."
- Rev. Martin Luther King in his "Letter from Birmingham Jail", 1963
 
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Whats so frustrating is that we have yet to see any evidence of an event that lasted 5 to 15 seconds that this actually involved Shannon at all. No.
matching DNA, no video, nothing from the Illini GA or Harmon., nothing from anyone in the packed bar, no one saw or even heard anything! All they have it seems is that of the victim who doesn't seem very sure it was even Shannon. No one else at all. If they found DNA or any if that or statements or video like in the cases or Ray Lewis, Joe Mixon assault videos or any thing at all I would say good riddance. The reason he was allowed to play to before this all started was someone with with TSJ all the time and he was honest to the DIA. If Whitman had an inkling he did this he wouldn't have played at all! The alleged victim who didnt seem to confident it is even was TSJ now thinks it maybe was him a KU football player with his hairstyle. If they collected DNA and its not a match then this needs to go away and likely should anyway given not one person validates a 5 to 15 second interaction! If really shouldn't have gotten this far unless they are hiding information which I don't think they are.
 
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LFOD said:
Pruman’s identification would inexorably lead to the identification of the NLs, and that must never happen.
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No evidence though -- just a 'he said' situation. Nothing actionable 🤷‍♂️
 
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Kendrick implied some other males DNA was found on the underwear. One scenario that hasn’t got much traction is this is a tragic case of misidentification. Neither side is lying. I do find it hard to believe the DA would not be acting quickly though if the DNA wasn’t TJs.
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Are we talking about Kedric? As in Kedric Prince or are we talking about Kendrick Nunn?
 
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LFOD said:
Pruman’s identification would inexorably lead to the identification of the NLs, and that must never happen.
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I'm guessing Pru's ID will only be known when a story hits the national news about an older gentleman being found down wearing an Illini robe, surrounded by grieving NLs, fun prescription drugs, a cornucopia of home cooked dishes, and an absurd amount of gummies.
Until then, some mysteries are best left unsolved.
 
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She said she didn't see the incident occur because she was talking to other people at the bar at that time, but she did see "the male" (and later ID'd him as TSJ from pictures) and did observe the people around him (including a KU basketball player she recognized at the time) as the accuser moved towards him.
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I don't think TSJ is disputing the fact that he was at the Jayhawk Cafe on that date.

His lawyers submitted a statement from the GA or graduate manager indicating he was there along with TJ, Harmon, and several KU basketball players.

Also of note, according to the court filing, UIUC recently told TJ the identity of his accuser. According to Ked, he still does not know who that is.
 
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1m4tr said:
Are we talking about Kedric? As in Kedric Prince or are we talking about Kendrick Nunn?
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Prince, and Kendric Prince also said when this accusation came out TSJ didn't know if the accuser was even black or white! I mean this sounds too crazy. I mean someone may have for 5 or 10 seconds grabbed or stuck a hand down her pants and grabbed butt, that would be wrong, but it wasn't TSJ or someone would know and come forward by now and if it was anyone at all in a packed bar how did no one see or hear anything? It sounds too far fetched to me. Especaily of the stories of the same accuser tried ths with a KU athlete but it was squashed. This should be squashed too. Also this allegedly happened at the bar top and for 5 to 15 and the DA to put a charge of rape on it is just crazy.
 
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nichi said:
I don't think TSJ is disputing the fact that he was at the Jayhawk Cafe on that date.

His lawyers submitted a statement from the GA or graduate manager indicating he was there along with TJ, Harmon, and several KU basketball players.

Also of note, according to the court filing, UIUC recently told TJ the identity of his accuser. According to Ked, he still does not know who that is.
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nichi said:
I don't think TSJ is disputing the fact that he was at the Jayhawk Cafe on that date.

His lawyers submitted a statement from the GA or graduate manager indicating he was there along with TJ, Harmon, and several KU basketball players.

Also of note, according to the court filing, UIUC recently told TJ the identity of his accuser. According to Ked, he still does not know who that is.
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Another point i just am flabbergasted by is this is all over someone being accused of grabbing a woman's butt in a packed bar at the bar top while the entire bar is on video. Is it wrong, absolutely, sure and I personally have a beautiful 24yr old daughter who graduated and if a U of I athlete or any student grabbed her !!! I'd be mad as hell as would she. We may be would want them suspended for a game or two if we knew for sure who did it. However, while I do think most women that have had their rear grabbed in a bar would be pissed they would not be devastated, say they were raped, nor expect the offender to be charged with rape and pay a $50,000 bond for grabbing a rear for 5 seconds. TSJ didn't rape anyone nor is there proof he did anything at all! For it to get to this level with so little proof to go on is just crazy.
 
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