I agree, because the University kept him on his athletic scholarship, and they didn't touch his status as a student of course. Unless Judge Lawless rules against the University regarding the TRO, the University is in the clear, and TSJ never plays again at U of I. And if she does grant the TRO, the University might just modify the panel process and get to the same conclusion in the end. That means TSJ might play just a couple more U of I games at the most.
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We are talking about a young man that was trending into a lottery pick. With good fortune, hard work, and the NBA being what it's is with salaries. $100 million in career earnings. I hope he has some arbitration and lawsuit that will make him whole. The reason I state it in this manner is innocent until proven guilty! The man's mental health and future earnings and reputation have been shattered. Just the allegation alone is catastrophic!
I want him back on the court, doing what God meant him to do and the work he has put in.
At some point in the process, it is proven he did something evil, I will have a different opinion. Not until that day, though.
I want him back on the court, doing what God meant him to do and the work he has put in.
At some point in the process, it is proven he did something evil, I will have a different opinion. Not until that day, though.
You mean schools have a legal (and thereby moral) obligation to play their athletes who are criminally charged with rape? Nope.
I would imagine if more comes out about how the case was handled by the DA, there may be a case against the DA. Although, I’m not sure how common lawsuits against DAs/the state are after a dismissal of charges or being found not guilty.
However, there wouldn’t be a case at all against the university or the DIA.
However, there wouldn’t be a case at all against the university or the DIA.
illinifan31
Former Krush Cow
- South Bend, IN
Yah Idk why people think this would be handled literally any different at any university in America.
I'll start out by saying I have no knowledge of UI policy or the panel's directive in matters like this....but I see the panel as a built in internal review mechanism as a part of the process....the Athletic Department, after several weeks of gathering and reviewing all available information, decided that the information was sufficient to warrant suspending TSJ from team activities. To me the panel is there to automatically review the information that the Athletic Dept. had and to make sure that proper procedure and guidelines within the policy were properly followed to protect the university and the athlete as well....if the panel finds that proper procedures and guidelines were followed they can uphold the suspension...or overturn the decision if mistakes or policy wasn't followed properly.
I think the timeline that was established for the panels decision and how their decision was released was what I question the most
theNewGuy
- Dallas, TX
Finally listened to the Illini Inquirer Podcast from the Maryland loss and Piper said something very interesting along the lines of this:
It will be hard to prove that TJ is being harmed substantially by being suspended aside from being charged with a crime.
In essence, how much is he really being harmed right now by not being allowed to play? Will an NBA team even sniff him if this case is still hanging over his head come draft time?
From a common sense perspective, I would say that the large majority of harm is coming from the criminal charge.
Now that doesn't mean there isn't any harm in suspending him, but how much harm needs to be proven to grant a TRO?
What does recent case law determine about this? Hopefully we find out today!
It will be hard to prove that TJ is being harmed substantially by being suspended aside from being charged with a crime.
In essence, how much is he really being harmed right now by not being allowed to play? Will an NBA team even sniff him if this case is still hanging over his head come draft time?
From a common sense perspective, I would say that the large majority of harm is coming from the criminal charge.
Now that doesn't mean there isn't any harm in suspending him, but how much harm needs to be proven to grant a TRO?
What does recent case law determine about this? Hopefully we find out today!
I totally agree with you about being charged with rape. My issue is what leads us or anyone to believe he should be charged with any crime at all much less rape after the information has come out. Its a joke. There is a reason he was allowed to play in September. This case shows no merit or fondation to start with. The DA is a joke based on public information thats been provided.
What ticks me off is in a crowded, packed bar with cameras and potential witnesses everywhere. With no matching DNA that was voluntarily submitted! When its been stated the "incident" or rape occurred in the bar. It has been said it did not occur behind closed doors were no camera or not one individual can support the victims story of that they saw. It happenned out front in the bar and no one heard, or recorded anything of what happenned for 5 to 15 seconds despite patrons being right there! This DA is a joke unless they are hiding something. Someone else may have wrongly grabbed her rear but she wasn't raped in that bar next to a bar full of patrons and video cameras and the only person saying this happened at all is her.
What ticks me off is in a crowded, packed bar with cameras and potential witnesses everywhere. With no matching DNA that was voluntarily submitted! When its been stated the "incident" or rape occurred in the bar. It has been said it did not occur behind closed doors were no camera or not one individual can support the victims story of that they saw. It happenned out front in the bar and no one heard, or recorded anything of what happenned for 5 to 15 seconds despite patrons being right there! This DA is a joke unless they are hiding something. Someone else may have wrongly grabbed her rear but she wasn't raped in that bar next to a bar full of patrons and video cameras and the only person saying this happened at all is her.
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Didn’t some athletes try to unionize several years back. Think it was a NW player that took it in front of a judge for the group
NLRB opens door for union for college athletes with finding on unfair labor practice complaint
Are college athletes employees? In a potentially game-changing move, the National Labor Relations Board's regional office in Los Angeles has taken a step forward to define USC players that way.
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Most recent article I found
the national
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Very, very, very uncommon.
NLRB opens door for union for college athletes with finding on unfair labor practice complaint
Are college athletes employees? In a potentially game-changing move, the National Labor Relations Board's regional office in Los Angeles has taken a step forward to define USC players that way.
Most recent article I found
Yes, the landscape is quickly changing in general for athletes and contractors to be considered employees. All part of the legal/political landscape that many IAAL don't have exposure to unless they work in this area of the law.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
TBF, you can believe it would be handled EXACTLY the same at every other university while still thinking it is unfair and presumes someone like TJ to be guilty.
IlliniKat91
- Chicago, IL
But people can still be convicted on it, and plenty of wonderful convictions have happened that way. It's not like he's out of the woods because it's circumstantial and not direct evidence
About your second point, most evidence is circumstantial and not direct. The idea that circumstantial evidence is lesser is something pushed by Hollywood.
At least that's what The Prosecutor podcast taught me. This attorney also seems to agree
What is the difference between direct and circumstantial evidence? | Ellison Law LLC
Evidence at a trial or a hearing can include witness testimony, documents, photos, videos, exhibits and any facts that the lawyers have agreed on is true. However, many people confuse the difference between direct and circumstantial evidence. Direct evidence can be a witness testifying about...www.dellisonlaw.com
From the link you posted: "Although circumstantial cases tend to be weaker than direct cases, the Government can still use circumstantial evidence to prove their case. "
Edit: Beachhouse beat me to it.
illiniswish09
- Northwest Suburbs
I could be wrong on the details but isn’t Pop Issac for Texas Tech currently playing while being accused of sexually assaulting a drunk minor?
Yes. 100x worse then what TSJ is accused of.
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