Not really. You bring criminal charges by a grand jury indictment or the DA bypassing the grand jury and filing the charges as was done here. If he had not been formally chaged there would be no initial appearance no preliminary hearing etc. Of course when you skip a grand jury you open yourself up to an often spirited preliminary hearing
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This is super helpful and illuminating. Based on this, it’s possible that the preliminary hearing was pushed back by the DA because she was worried the case would be dismissed when no probably cause was found after “witness” cross-exam. I’m sure she’d instead prefer a grand jury indictment where Terrance’s side isn’t able to plead their case before being charged.
Still think it’s crazy that the US justice system releases names of the accused before even being CHARGED with a crime - let alone before being convicted. I don’t envy the university’s position or blame them for this debacle because they’ve got a reputation to maintain. If Terrence’s name hadn’t been released from the start, we (and the media) would be none the wiser.
I think we’re beginning to see why this particular DA is 0-7 in sexual assault/rape cases. There’s not enough information available publicly to know whether any or all of those cases were credible, but it seems she either rushes to file charges or is incompetent in the manner with which to do so.
Thanks for sharing your experienced opinions throughout this episode.
Any concern that the OSCR investigation / process gets in the way of him playing the rest of the season? Or will they slow play that until afterwards?
He's been charged. He just hasn't been formally charged.
I bet those are fun!? At least for a good attorney.
Glad this was released...I was under the impression the decision to play Shannon still falls on Brad, which is what Parrish is up in arms about. I didn't think it was necessarily outlandish if Brad were to decide to sit Shannon considering the charge (formal or not) exists..but this appears to clear that up. I'm really good at being wrong sometimes!
Krombopulos_Michael
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Should be the official motto of Loyalty tbh
The Galloping Ghost
- Washington, DC
Highly suggest not reading the comments, which can, frankly, be said for every single tweet at this point. It's going to be rough out there for the duration of the season. It's not worth engaging. Anyone willing to tweet about something they know nothing about isn't looking for a reasoned dialogue.
I'm sure guys like Gary P will take this well-reasoned statement and explanation of the situation into full account and retract their uninformed statements that BU should not play TSJ. Probably not though; just doesn't have the same salaciousness that generates those clicks from other uninformed college basketball followers.
Correct. If he wanted to plead guilty I am sure they would not turn him away
Thank you. It is about over which is a good thing
Drama and sensationalism bring the clicks. Unfortunately objectivity and fairness, especially when you have put yourself out on the limb, do not
I didn't think there was ever any possible way TSJ could be benched without Illinois getting hit with a massive lawsuit for purposefully attempting to bypass the intention of the Federal judge's ruling, which TSJ would almost certainly win. Basically, the school would either be defying the ruling, or illegally retaliating against TSJ, take your pick.
I know idiots like Parrish think that playing time in this case is a coach's decision, because of course it is in most normal circumstances, but when you have a court order saying the school basically cannot punish TSJ through withholding him from basketball as it infringes on his rights of due process and his ability to make money and support his family along with his future earning potential, you would have to firmly justify to the courts why there would be any changes whatsoever to the status he had prior to being suspended.
I'm glad the U of I made this announcement to explain to every talking head like Parrish what they're saying is completely nonsensical and would certainly be illegal. Just because you're morally or ethically outraged over a court ruling, doesn't give you rights to defy or circumvent it. It it did, there'd be a lot of guilty people walking free and a lot of innocent people extrajudicially killed or imprisoned.
Retro62
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Somebody should send this to that dipstick Gary Parrish...the wording clearly indicates that BU would be undermining the court's intent if he did not play the student in question.
Edit: Illiniguy13 touched on this...I just posted before reading further. As did others...guess I should read the whole thread before reacting...how ironic.
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It may be about over for how it impacts his ability to play college basketball this season, but the social stigma of having been charged with rape will follow TSJ for a very long time. I went back and read the charging affidavit again yesterday and it is still inconceivable to me that he was charged with rape under those alleged facts. None of us can know what really happened in that "crowded bar" and we now almost certainly never will, but the reality is that this should serve as a reminder to all of us that lives can be ruined at the whim of a District Attorney's power to bring charges, even if those charges are ultimately dropped and/or a favorable jury verdict is obtained years later.
I'm sure Gary was equally upset when his boss at CBS, Les Moonves, stepped down in 2018 as chairman of CBS after multiple women brought forth sexual assault allegations against him. Can't seem to find the article Gary wrote about that dark chapter in his company's workplace. I'll keep looking....
In a related vein (I think) and apologies if this has already been covered (I have been keeping up with this thread but I may have missed it) I was wondering how this will affect TSJ's votes for All Big Ten and/or his All American status. I can't help but think that there will be at least some who will not vote for him no matter how deserving he is. Hopefully, the charges will be dropped (if warranted which I believe will be the case but that is just my opinion and thus not worth anything) before the voting.
glad the University came out with something.
The simple, non-bias view is this: Underwood was instructed to treat him as any other player not under any sort of penalization. To that extent, those who think Underwood should’ve taken matters into his own hands and not played him because of the allegations then those same people are stating Underwood is the proverbial judge jury executioner.
I don’t think that’s a far leap or outlandish statement. This isn’t on underwood unless you think coaches should be dictating legal issues.
The simple, non-bias view is this: Underwood was instructed to treat him as any other player not under any sort of penalization. To that extent, those who think Underwood should’ve taken matters into his own hands and not played him because of the allegations then those same people are stating Underwood is the proverbial judge jury executioner.
I don’t think that’s a far leap or outlandish statement. This isn’t on underwood unless you think coaches should be dictating legal issues.
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