ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
They don't either, that's the hold up at the moment.
USC, UCLA to join the Big Ten in 2024
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Shief
- Champaign Area
Anybody have any info about the exodus of teams from the Pac-12? We've all heard about Oregon and Washington wanting to get into the B1G, also arguing for higher revenue from the Pac-12 to keep it together, but I keep seeing rumors about Colorado, Utah, Arizona, and Arizona State trying to get into the Big 12 and Cal-Berkley and Stanford trying to figure things out.
Personally, I would like to see B1G go to at least 20x teams by grabbing Oregon, Washington, and Stanford with the 20th spot going to either Cal or Notre Dame, ND being the preference. If B1G goes to 24x then definitely get all 5x of the above plus Colorado and a combination of Kansas, Utah, Missouri (pipedream I know but family rivalry), Virginia, North Carolina, and Duke; I would prefer to go West than East.
Personally, I would like to see B1G go to at least 20x teams by grabbing Oregon, Washington, and Stanford with the 20th spot going to either Cal or Notre Dame, ND being the preference. If B1G goes to 24x then definitely get all 5x of the above plus Colorado and a combination of Kansas, Utah, Missouri (pipedream I know but family rivalry), Virginia, North Carolina, and Duke; I would prefer to go West than East.
It ain’t just Saturday night lemme tell you. We have basketball practice at 6 am and a lot of kids still don’t go to sleep until like 3 am on a regular basis. Seriously.
IlliniKat91
- Chicago, IL
The sleep schedules of some of my students would make you pull your hair out, honestly.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
May I ask why? In your own words, from your own perspective.
So true. My office manager's 14 yo didn't go to sleep last night. The teen was burning up the phone with dumb texts this morning. When she finally had enough she called and told her teen to go to bed. I chuckled but not very loudly.
The Galloping Ghost
- Washington, DC
I'm not Shief, but I'll give my perspective on why I'd enjoy 20 or more teams.
First off, as I've said numerous times on here, I'm not from the midwest. I don't have any geographical allegiance to the midwest. The rivalries I care about aren't because I grew up with fans of other B1G schools. Also, as a note, I graduated in 2007.
As an east coaster, I've always looked at the conference as more of a northern thing than midwest specific. When I started caring about college athletics, Penn State was already a member. For me, growing up in the mid-Atlantic, I looked at a conference that stretched from the east coast to the middle of the country and encompassed all the best schools. It just felt northern and the opposite culturally of the SEC and ACC. Thus, when it came time to add more schools, the additions of Maryland and Rutgers, two more mid-Atlantic schools, just felt obvious. The addition of Nebraska, which, honestly, is no different to me than Iowa, also just felt obvious.
Now, the conference is expanding again to the west. Geographically, I guess the B1G is no longer simply in the northern part of the country. However, I don't really see much of a difference in values between the schools already in the conference and those on the west coast. There's a reason the B1G and the Pac have been so close for so many years. Combining the best schools of the Pac to the B1G is just adding peanut butter to chocolate. It's two good things that work well together.
Look, I know I'm an outlier geographically here. I get that the way I perceive the conference isn't the way most do. Unlike many here, I don't have nostalgia for a midwestern conference. To me, I think the addition of schools with similar values is, frankly, fun and makes sense.
And, more so than anything else, I hate the SEC with a fiery passion and want a juggernaut of a conference to ultimately eclipse them in every conceivable way. Whether the B1G expanding to 20 or 24 teams achieves that goal, I don't know, but to me, it seems like the best shot.
IlliniKat91
- Chicago, IL
A lot of my students have good reasons (work, helping with the family, etc.) but it still makes me want to scream. Instead I just warm up the speech on time management and call it a day
Shief
- Champaign Area
Gritty, I probably should have said that I have a feeling that B1G will likely go to 20x teams in the near future to help balance out USC and UCLA. I cannot put my finger on a specific reason but I have a gut feeling that Kevin Warren and B1G is not done yet.
If B1G goes to 20x, I see the candidates being Washington, Oregon, Stanford, and Notre Dame/Cal-Berkley. Mirroring KW's comments earlier today, I think that each school can bring something to the table athletically, academically, geographically, and media market wise.
Will we be B2G if we have 20 teams?
Shief
- Champaign Area
Wanted to make this a separate thought from my above comment to say what I think candidate schools bring monetary value and other benefits.
Notre Dame (17) - national presence, money gain, strong football and other sports, rival with existing B1G schools (Mich., Purdue, USC, Mich. St.) - not AAU but B1G would probably make exception here
Oregon (17/18) & Washington (18/19) - regional partners for USC & UCLA, money gain, strong football and other sports, AAU schools
Stanford (19/20) - regional partner for USC & UCLA, likely money gain, AAU/EXCELLENT school, STRONG olympic sports, rival for ND & PAC schools
Cal (20/21)- regional partner for USC & UCLA, money gain (?). AAU/GREAT school, rival with Stanford
Colorado (21/22) - bridge school between PAC and B1G, good school, access to Denver market, money gain (?), AAU school
Kansas (22/23/24) - bridge between B1G and western schools, historic basketball addition, not money drag (?), AAU school
Virginia (22/23/24) - rival for Maryland, AAU school, money gain (?)
North Carolina (22/23/24) - strong football, historic basketball, money gain (?), AAU school
Duke (22/23/24) - historic basketball, AAU school
Notre Dame (17) - national presence, money gain, strong football and other sports, rival with existing B1G schools (Mich., Purdue, USC, Mich. St.) - not AAU but B1G would probably make exception here
Oregon (17/18) & Washington (18/19) - regional partners for USC & UCLA, money gain, strong football and other sports, AAU schools
Stanford (19/20) - regional partner for USC & UCLA, likely money gain, AAU/EXCELLENT school, STRONG olympic sports, rival for ND & PAC schools
Cal (20/21)- regional partner for USC & UCLA, money gain (?). AAU/GREAT school, rival with Stanford
Colorado (21/22) - bridge school between PAC and B1G, good school, access to Denver market, money gain (?), AAU school
Kansas (22/23/24) - bridge between B1G and western schools, historic basketball addition, not money drag (?), AAU school
Virginia (22/23/24) - rival for Maryland, AAU school, money gain (?)
North Carolina (22/23/24) - strong football, historic basketball, money gain (?), AAU school
Duke (22/23/24) - historic basketball, AAU school
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
To be clear, ND is the only potential addition that would increase the per-school distribution from the TV contract. And any geographic "partners" for USC and UCLA would only add to the travel problems for the current schools, aka the ones making the decision.
Unless ND jumps (which I don't think they will), I feel pretty certain this is it.
Shief
- Champaign Area
You are likely correct Gritty, time will tell.
The Galloping Ghost
- Washington, DC
ND will not increase the per school distribution either. They’re more valuable as an independent, and as an independent they are worth less than the current school distribution.
I think the value in teams like ND, NC, VA, Miami, Clemson, FSU, OR, WA, CO, Cal, Stanford is in the competition between the B10 and SEC For the remaining teams. I wonder if any BIG unwillingness to accept OU was a factor in TX choosing the SEC, or if TX simply chose SEC everything else equal. Texas was the crown jewel of this last realignment.
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ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Gotta be 2 Big 2 Ten, right?
That's not a totally ridiculous argument. Not least of which because a B1G TV contract already includes various home games against ND. But I do think ND moves the needle at the end of the day. That just adds so many high-value matchups to the package.
I don't really know what to make of ND's current deal on a lot of levels, but it's fair to bring it up.
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Shief
- Champaign Area
Just watched a YouTube video from CBS Sports saying that B1G is currently looking at Cal, Stanford, Oregon, and Washington as expansion candidates. CBS also says that B1G is requesting an additional 250 million from media partners if these schools are added to the conference. Interesting stuff if true.
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Always Illini
- Central Illinois
It is certainly a valid concern. I don't know how the university values the non-revenue sports (presumably everything but MBB and Football) but it would be a big change in the landscape of college athletics to trim back that far. As ChiefGritty suggests it may not be that much of a leap for some. The possibilities are endless and either very concerning or very exciting depending on your perspective on college sports.
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