Wisconsin 92, Illinois 90 OT Postgame

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#751      
PleaseMakeABowlGame
NarrowJ said:
Not to drone on about it, but I just thought the officiating was even worse last night than it was against Michigan St.

Started with a touch foul on Wagler in the 1H.

Guy that hits Mirk in the face: how does that not get called?

The ignorant jump ball call on a block took a pretty much guaranteed 2 points away from us.

Keaton just gets blatantly pushed out of bounds by #31 on a live rebound... play on and its a 5 on 4 at the other end because he's laying on the floor.

3 goaltends, unsure how many were clear but they messed up at least one of those too.

The missed 10 second call was terrible, everybody in the arena saw it and was screaming about it... Wisconsin bench was yelling and motioning to hurry... absolutely zero way 3 officials did not see this, they obviously CHOSE NOT TO call it.

The hook call on Tomi, I thought was a weak call even though probably correct. Those discards don't usually get called unless the offensive player gains a clear advantage by doing it.

This is all not to mention I think Keaton may need to start embellishing or selling some of the contact more on drives. Not saying flop, but he drew 9 fouls last night and it should have been like 12 (probably more).
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The missed 10 sec is absurd to me. Like, what are the odds a team gets away with that in a b10 game? Maybe it does happen but we don’t notice?

It’s just crazy on the last possession, tied score, such a critical moment in the game.

I don’t know what Illinois has done to get such terrible officiating the last two games.
 
#752      
dmb24illini
sulli said:
Step one to improving the cheering from the student section is to stop having the PA announcer lead cheering / try to be such a hype man. When you outsource that stuff to a guy with an amplifier, it is counterproductive. ILL chants should start organically by students or by the cheerleaders. When the announcer says "lets get louuud" at a gazillion decibels the crowd can't compete and doesn't.
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The Krush has more than enough opportunity to get the crowd going and they don't do it.

(My read on the announcer leading those chants is because the Krush don't/aren't.)
 
#753      
CHI 1086
Fighter of the Nightman said:
If a fan from Champaign watched our United Center game or a Braggin’ Rights Game on TV and felt our crowd was uncharacteristically bad, he/she would not be some hypocrite for stating that opinion, and it wouldn’t be some personal attack. We should all want our crowds to be good wherever we play…?
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The games in Las Vegas a couple of years ago had more spirit!
 
#754      
Fly Illini Fly!
New Creation said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2021433467393933421
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Come On What GIF by MOODMAN
 
#755      
BoiseBaller
This is a direct result in BU's style of offense which is a no offensive sets offense, just exploit match ups. Well what happens in off nights? Or when they have a competent XsOs coach? Or injuries? Have you noticed he has run off every legitimate PG not named Trent Fraizer? Is it because he favors the downhill slasher like Ayo & TSJ instead of guys like Adam Miller? Wagler can't pass. He has no mid range stop and pop. Does not draw defenders and dish. Good or bad he puts his head down and either tosses up and magnificent shot or something ugly in eiither an iso or screen. Thats not very team oriented. Brad needs a deep bench of 1 or 2 trick ponies to be able to make his style of basketball work. Good results when healthy and everyone clicking, bad results on off nights, against good fast well rounded PGs, and top notch XsOs coaches. He gets outcouch constantly because he plays pick up basketball AAU offense. Just that simple.

As for guys who aren't getting playing time because they suck... I give you
Brandin Podziemski. Plenty of BU bench guys have gone on to be productive. So was it the player or Brad? His job is to make them serviceable esp in this NIL era....
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Even my wife, the casual fan by proximity lol, said after this last game...."that guy is going to transfer and be great for somebody else next year, isn't he?" (In reference to Petro). It's like the lock of all locks lol.
 
#756      
HensonHall71
Appleknockersaluki said:
One thing that drove me crazy late in the game was Tomi and others sagging into the lane to help when Big Z was in the game. That left the three point shooters open, especially Rapp, who wasn't gonna blow by you. Stay with the shooters on the perimeter and trust Z to protect the rim. I always feel so much more confident about the defense when he is in the game.
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I agree with you- up 12 with 8 min left we immediately gave up 2 three pointers to cut it to 6. Three pointers are the main thing that hurts you at that point given we were using the full shot clock most possessions. Just guard the three point line and let them dive and try to score on Z- they were pulling it out if they ran into big Z in the lane that would have left a lot of mid range shots- if they make them that is fine, it would have been a lot harder for them to close the gap without three pointers

It hasn’t been our defensive philosophy this year so it’s hard to change on the fly but this game needed that
 
#758      
Se Il Illini
illinitiger said:
I asked gemini "Illini lost to wisconsin while shooting 53% and 45% from 3p..Has illini ever lost in the last 20 years with those offensive percentage?

Gemini answer: No, Illinois has never lost a game in the last 20 years while shooting that well from both the field and three-point range.

Further analysis from gemini:

Why did they lose?
.....a few critical factors flipped the game:

Turnovers: Illinois gave it up 13 times (a Big Ten season high), while Wisconsin only turned it over 4 times. The Badgers turned those mistakes into 23 points.

Free Throws: The Illini entered as a top-5 national free-throw team but struggled mightily, going just 11-of-19 (57.9%).

Defensive Rebounding: Illinois allowed 13 offensive rebounds, giving Wisconsin 12 second-chance points and allowing them to take 16 more shots than the Illini.
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And give credit to Wisconsin for hanging in the game and winning. That is the way the ball bounces at times.
 
#759      
Mapman
Indy Illini Fan said:
What slows Fears down is setting the f’ing tone with him …

Foul the 💩 out of him … I’m just waiting on a player/coach to figure that out …

Teams had him figured out when he was at LaLu … Get in his head … Set the tone …

Feliz, Trent, DMFW would’ve had him miserable …
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I couldn’t agree more. To steal a hockey strategy, need to physically make it hard for him and remind him of the consequences of his play style while taking him out of his comfort zone. I would have let him drive to the basket on the first possession and foul the *hit out of him to send a message.
 
#760      
From the cheap seats
Making FTs at their normal rate, grabbing defensive rebounds, holding onto the ball, not giving up 36 threes when Wisconsin was hitting 44%. Credit to Wisconsin, which was a tough matchup for the depleted Illini, but correct any one of those four things and the Illini win. Of the four, I am most puzzled by the lack of defensive rebounds.
Seemed like at least one of our bigs (not the same person each time) got caught in no-man's land a lot -- sagging too much to really contest threes but being out of position to grab rebounds. I'm confident that will get corrected in similar matchups going forward.
 
#761      
NarrowJ
Mapman said:
I couldn’t agree more. To steal a hockey strategy, need to physically make it hard for him and remind him of the consequences of his play style while taking him out of his comfort zone. I would have let him drive to the basket on the first possession and foul the *hit out of him to send a message.
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Teams that "foul the :poop: out of him" haven't fared very well slowing him down when they do this, though:

10-10 FTs vs Iowa
10-10 FTs vs Nebraska
16-17 FTs vs Rutgers
12-14 FTs vs Michigan
12-13 FTs vs Illinois

He averaged 23 pts and 9 ast across those games

Technically, with his 3rd highest number of FT attempts (though in an OT game) we did "foul the :poop: out of him" and it didn't go so well for us

In summary, "foul the :poop: out of him" is, honestly, quite a bold move vs a 90 percent FT shooter
 
#762      
CoalCity
NarrowJ said:
Teams that "foul the :poop: out of him" haven't fared very well slowing him down when they do this, though:

10-10 FTs vs Iowa
10-10 FTs vs Nebraska
16-17 FTs vs Rutgers
12-14 FTs vs Michigan
12-13 FTs vs Illinois

He averaged 23 pts and 9 ast across those games

Technically, with his 3rd highest number of FT attempts (though in an OT game) we did "foul the :poop: out of him" and it didn't go so well for us

In summary, "foul the :poop: out of him" is, honestly, quite a bold move vs a 90 percent FT shooter
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He's talking about FOULING him, not letting him graze you and draw a foul. Getting your money's worth from a foul. Detroit Pistons of the 80's fouling. The refs are gonna call the fouls in his favor anyway. Instead of him flopping to the floor, PUT him on the floor.
 
#763      
NarrowJ
CoalCity said:
He's talking about FOULING him, not letting him graze you and draw a foul. Getting your money's worth from a foul. Detroit Pistons of the 80's fouling. The refs are gonna call the fouls in his favor anyway. Instead of him flopping to the floor, PUT him on the floor.
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Exactly, and doing so gives a 90% free throw shooter free points (and potentially another possession if flagrant since we're talking about hard fouls)
 
#764      
Rebounding Dog
From the cheap seats said:
Making FTs at their normal rate, grabbing defensive rebounds, holding onto the ball, not giving up 36 threes when Wisconsin was hitting 44%. Credit to Wisconsin, which was a tough matchup for the depleted Illini, but correct any one of those four things and the Illini win. Of the four, I am most puzzled by the lack of defensive rebounds.
Seemed like at least one of our bigs (not the same person each time) got caught in no-man's land a lot -- sagging too much to really contest threes but being out of position to grab rebounds. I'm confident that will get corrected in similar matchups going forward.
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I think you missed what might have been the worse part and made a big difference. We had 13 turn overs compared to their 4. Ouch. If we were at our average at the time, it would have been 4 less.
 
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From the cheap seats
Rebounding Dog said:
I think you missed what might have been the worse part and made a big difference. We had 13 turn overs compared to their 4. Ouch. If we were at our average at the time, it would have been 4 less.
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You are correct. Holding onto the ball was one of those four things listed. And so many of them were unforced: Jake stopping just over the center line and then flipping the ball back to Keaton, who hadn't gotten into the frontcourt; Mirk twice dribbling off his leg; and Z just whiffing on a pass that would have resulted in a dunk.
 
#766      
Mapman
He's talking about FOULING him, not letting him graze you and draw a foul. Getting your money's worth from a foul. Detroit Pistons of the 80's fouling. The refs are gonna call the fouls in his favor anyway. Instead of him flopping to the floor, PUT him on the floor.
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Yes, that’s what I meant. Just once or twice, not the entire night. The accidental, on purpose 💩 he does. I get the rebuttal, though.
 
#767      
Rebounding Dog
From the cheap seats said:
You are correct. Holding onto the ball was one of those four things listed. And so many of them were unforced: Jake stopping just over the center line and then flipping the ball back to Keaton, who hadn't gotten into the frontcourt; Mirk twice dribbling off his leg; and Z just whiffing on a pass that would have resulted in a dunk.
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You did not miss it! (I thought holding on to the ball meant not controling rebounds )
 
#768      
spotter
pruman91 said:
B$G REFS SUCK.............................JMHO...............
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We'd all welcome back Hillary, Higgins, Hightower, Burr, Welmer, and even Valentine with open arms compared to today.
 
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Fly Illini Fly!
NarrowJ said:
Not to drone on about it, but I just thought the officiating was even worse last night than it was against Michigan St.

Started with a touch foul on Wagler in the 1H.
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This was terrible. As all ball as it gets:
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NarrowJ said:
Guy that hits Mirk in the face: how does that not get called?
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Especially egregious considering this is what Mirk got called for in overtime against MSU:
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NarrowJ said:
The ignorant jump ball call on a block took a pretty much guaranteed 2 points away from us.
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Not that he'll seem to care, but what an embarrassment for DJ:
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NarrowJ said:
Keaton just gets blatantly pushed out of bounds by #31 on a live rebound... play on and its a 5 on 4 at the other end because he's laying on the floor.
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Outside of the 10sec, this was the most egregious one of the whole game for me. Super pivotal moment, 7pt lead with 5min to go, could've shut the door.
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I just have utterly zero clue what this official is seeing. Honestly, he probably has a better angle than this replay. There's literally NO ONE in front blocking his view, as he sees Keaton get shoved into the cheerleaders. Just terrible.
NarrowJ said:
3 goaltends, unsure how many were clear but they messed up at least one of those too.
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The goaltends were interesting. Z was called for 3.

One of them was clear and obvious in overtime.

The other Brad challenged and didn't get it.

This is the super, super close one:

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NarrowJ said:
The missed 10 second call was terrible, everybody in the arena saw it and was screaming about it... Wisconsin bench was yelling and motioning to hurry... absolutely zero way 3 officials did not see this, they obviously CHOSE NOT TO call it.
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NarrowJ said:
The hook call on Tomi, I thought was a weak call even though probably correct. Those discards don't usually get called unless the offensive player gains a clear advantage by doing it.
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Might be in the minority, but I didn't think the Tomi call was a bad call, at least compared to the other ones. He seemed to hook him.

However, on that exact same possession, here's a drive by Keaton. Hummel said on the broadcast he thought it was a foul, so here it is:

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NarrowJ
Fly Illini Fly! said:
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Especially egregious considering this is what Mirk got called for in overtime against MSU:
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We win an evenly officiated game by 10+

Sounds crazy to say that but most of the f-ckery occurred immediately after the point we went up 12 with 8 mins left
 
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Rebounding Dog
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Especially egregious considering this is what Mirk got called for in overtime against MSU:
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I hate to have to go to the place where "officiating" swings a game....but it is quite obvious it did twice.
Any chance you can post the blatant Kohler travel that gave MSU the second chance three which put them up at 9 sec left?
 
#772      
From the cheap seats
The missed 10-second call was especially inexcusable as that count is the responsibility of one of those three. I know it isn't, but that should be a reviewable play or at least one that a team should be able to challenge at the next dead ball. That's an easy one to review and reset the clock if a violation is confirmed. It's as important as an out-of-bounds play and is even easier to review; if the shot clock hits 20 while dribbling in the backcourt, it's a violation.
 
#774      
Deep
Indy Illini Fan said:
What slows Fears down is setting the f’ing tone with him …

Foul the 💩 out of him … I’m just waiting on a player/coach to figure that out …

Teams had him figured out when he was at LaLu … Get in his head … Set the tone …

Feliz, Trent, DMFW would’ve had him miserable …
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100%....it was the same way with him in HS. He acts like a bully, you need to really go back at him and he plays/acts differently
 
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