2012-2013 MLB Offseason Thread

dansaint · Oct 23, 2012, 01:50 PM

Ozzie Guillen fired by Miami Marlins: http://twitter.com/MLB/status/260829026292215809

wpr · Oct 23, 2012, 02:18 PM

wow. That was not what I thought would happen. I was surprised when they orgiginally hired him. But I thought he would stick around for 2 years.

IntenselyOrange · Oct 23, 2012, 02:22 PM

That team is a mess. This is the third strait manager who couldn't get along with the organization. Given that neither Freddy Gonzalez or Joe Girardi could manage it was quite obvious that this was going to fail.

dansaint · Oct 24, 2012, 12:39 PM

do you think we'll see another team relocate (leave the city they are in for another city?)

Most believe that Oakland is heading that way (San Jose is the most mentioned)...but do you see another team besides them moving? And to where?

orangeroses07 · Oct 24, 2012, 01:13 PM

I could see the Tampa Bay Rays "relocating" to a different area of the Tampa Bay area, like Tampa perhaps, instead of St. Petersburg. There has been a constant complaint about Tropicana Field and how it is not in the best location to get fans to the game. I'm not sure the exact numbers, but i'm willing to say that they are below the league average in attendance, which is very bad considering they have been either in the playoffs or in the hunt for the playoffs every year since 2008. A new stadium wouldn't be bad either, that place is a joke.

IntenselyOrange · Oct 25, 2012, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by orangeroses07

I could see the Tampa Bay Rays "relocating" to a different area of the Tampa Bay area, like Tampa perhaps, instead of St. Petersburg. There has been a constant complaint about Tropicana Field and how it is not in the best location to get fans to the game. I'm not sure the exact numbers, but i'm willing to say that they are below the league average in attendance, which is very bad considering they have been either in the playoffs or in the hunt for the playoffs every year since 2008. A new stadium wouldn't be bad either, that place is a joke.

I think they'll move to Tampa, but I'm not sure I'd consider that a relocation. Same thing with Oakland to San Jose. It's hard to find a team that would relocate in the near future. What markets are available? Portland? Charlotte? San Antonio? I don't think any of those markets can support 81 games every year. As for the teams most likely to actually move, you'd have the Marlins if not for their new stadium, but other than that it's difficult to identify a team. Oddly, the White Sox might actually be the most likely mover if an opportunity arose.

KBLEE · Oct 25, 2012, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by IntenselyOrange

Oddly, the White Sox might actually be the most likely mover if an opportunity arose.

I almost posted this same thought yesterday.

wpr · Oct 25, 2012, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by KBLEE

I almost posted this same thought yesterday.

I don't see it happening. Reinsdorf has a pretty good deal until 2028.

Article in Crain's last October. Check out the article. It is short but has other interesting comments.

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The sweet deal Jerry Reinsdorf has at U.S. Cellular Field is prompting the state agency that runs the ballpark to re-examine its lease agreement, which requires the White Sox owner to pay $1.5 million annually in rent while keeping all proceeds from ticket sales, parking, concessions and his growing merchandise operations.

follow up story the next day.

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The supplemental fund was created when the state authority and the White Sox renegotiated their original contract so that, after 18 years of free rent, the ball club would begin paying a base rent to the authority. That revised agreement also set terms on annual rent based on ticket revenue. Since 2008, the team must pay $3 to $7 for every ticket sold above annual attendance of 1.9 million.

With paid attendance under 1.9 million in 2011, the Sox won't pay ticket fees this year.

In 2010, however, paid attendance was 2,074,011, exceeding the trigger by 149,011. So Mr. Reinsdorf paid $455,974, or about $3 per ticket.

dansaint · Nov 2, 2012, 06:23 AM

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...ictions-1.html

AHSIllini32 · Nov 2, 2012, 07:04 AM

I just don't see the Cubs only going after one of those guys. The FO said they are going to be looking to upgrade the pitching through FA this off-season.

KBLEE · Nov 2, 2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AHSIllini32

I just don't see the Cubs only going after one of those guys. The FO said they are going to be looking to upgrade the pitching through FA this off-season.

Angels are looking to deal Dan Haren today, and reports say Cubs are one of the teams talking to them.

AHSIllini32 · Nov 2, 2012, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KBLEE

Angels are looking to deal Dan Haren today, and reports say Cubs are one of the teams talking to them.

I'd be good with that. Bring in Haren, re-sign Dempster.

1) Haren
2) Shark/Dempster
3) Shark/Dempster
4) Wood
5) one of the young guys.

dansaint · Nov 2, 2012, 02:48 PM

my only question for Cubs fans is...what are you willing to give up for Haren, who has a history of back issues?

wpr · Nov 2, 2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dansaint

my only question for Cubs fans is...what are you willing to give up for Haren, who has a history of back issues?

Before reading the story I was thinking LA would be asking a lot for him. If they really are considering releasing him they can't expect very much in return.

AHSIllini32 · Nov 2, 2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dansaint

my only question for Cubs fans is...what are you willing to give up for Haren, who has a history of back issues?

Considering 3 of his last 4 years he's had an era of 3.9 or higher and just turned 32 a couple months ago I would say a 1 prospect in the 5-10 range and a top 20 with maybe a little filler.

NorthwesternIllini4 · Nov 2, 2012, 05:55 PM

Looks like the Cubs are indeed about to send Carlos Marmol to the Angels for Dan Haren. Deets forthcoming.

http://www.bleachernation.com/2012/1...for-dan-haren/

Wokker · Nov 2, 2012, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NorthwesternIllini4

Looks like the Cubs are indeed about to send Carlos Marmol to the Angels for Dan Haren. Deets forthcoming.

http://www.bleachernation.com/2012/1...for-dan-haren/

Serious Late · Nov 2, 2012, 07:00 PM

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...os-marmol.html

Is it a go? Is it not a go? I dunno, but I will take Haren for Marmol every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Go Theo!

Juice · Nov 2, 2012, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Serious Late

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...os-marmol.html

Is it a go? Is it not a go? I dunno, but I will take Haren for Marmol every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Go Theo!

+1. Love this deal... Especially not giving up any prospects.

stevo99 · Nov 2, 2012, 07:33 PM

Good move for the Cubs.

Haren may have one really good year left. And even if he's only decent, he'll give you 180-200 innings and his SO rate hasn't dropped much at all.

AHSIllini32 · Nov 2, 2012, 08:10 PM

Wow, helluva deal by the braintrust.

Either Haren pitches his ass off like he's capable of and gets dealt at the deadline for top prospects or he does decent and you just keep him in your rotation.

By the way, I don't know how I forgot Garza in my SP rotation earlier.

1) Garza
2) Haren
3) Shark
4) Demp (if resigned; the Cubs have talked to him already apparently)
5) Wood

That's not a bad rotation at all...just gotta fill in that lineup with some bats.

Serious Late · Nov 2, 2012, 08:58 PM

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...os-marmol.html

Looking more sketchy that it happens. National media jumped on it as if it were a done deal, but looking iffy now.

FYI, MLBTradeRumors = Best baseball site on the interwebs.

NorthwesternIllini4 · Nov 2, 2012, 09:00 PM

Now all reports saying that the deal fell through. My guess is Team Thoyer got an updated medical report and saw something they didn't like.

As an aside, I've wondered lately how the information age has really changed how we as fans follow our teams. It's crazy to think that even 5 years ago (pre-twitter), we wouldn't have had nearly the instantaneous access to info in situations like this, DJack's recruitment, etc.

NorthwesternIllini4 · Nov 2, 2012, 09:00 PM

@Serious

Beat me to it

Serious Late · Nov 2, 2012, 10:46 PM

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...ns-option.html

Haren's option has been declined by the Angels. He is going to enter the free market. If the Cubs want him, he is there for the gettin'.

Interesting to see the Cubs starting to go for talent now though. I take this as a good sign, regardless of whether they got him. Hopefully last season was the bottoming out, and we are building up from here.

Oct 23, 2012, 01:50 PM	#1
dansaint Location: Middletown, IL Posts: 851	Ozzie Guillen fired by Miami Marlins: http://twitter.com/MLB/status/260829026292215809 __________________ YOUR 2012 ILLINOIS LOYALTY FANTASY FOOTBALL CHAMPION!!!!!!

Oct 23, 2012, 02:18 PM	#2
wpr Location: Northern frontier of Illini Country Posts: 4,333	wow. That was not what I thought would happen. I was surprised when they orgiginally hired him. But I thought he would stick around for 2 years. __________________ One does not simply walk into Mordor.

Oct 24, 2012, 12:39 PM	#4
dansaint Location: Middletown, IL Posts: 851	Got a MLB question for you that doesn't fit elsewhere do you think we'll see another team relocate (leave the city they are in for another city?) Most believe that Oakland is heading that way (San Jose is the most mentioned)...but do you see another team besides them moving? And to where? __________________ YOUR 2012 ILLINOIS LOYALTY FANTASY FOOTBALL CHAMPION!!!!!!

Oct 24, 2012, 01:13 PM	#5
orangeroses07 Location: Centralia, IL Posts: 253	I could see the Tampa Bay Rays "relocating" to a different area of the Tampa Bay area, like Tampa perhaps, instead of St. Petersburg. There has been a constant complaint about Tropicana Field and how it is not in the best location to get fans to the game. I'm not sure the exact numbers, but i'm willing to say that they are below the league average in attendance, which is very bad considering they have been either in the playoffs or in the hunt for the playoffs every year since 2008. A new stadium wouldn't be bad either, that place is a joke. __________________ ILLINICARDINALSBLUESBULLSTITANSSALUKIS

Nov 2, 2012, 06:23 AM	#9
dansaint Location: Middletown, IL Posts: 851	http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...ictions-1.html __________________ YOUR 2012 ILLINOIS LOYALTY FANTASY FOOTBALL CHAMPION!!!!!!

Oct 23, 2012, 02:22 PM	#3
IntenselyOrange Posts: 6,309	That team is a mess. This is the third strait manager who couldn't get along with the organization. Given that neither Freddy Gonzalez or Joe Girardi could manage it was quite obvious that this was going to fail.

Nov 2, 2012, 07:04 AM	#10
AHSIllini32 Posts: 6,985	I just don't see the Cubs only going after one of those guys. The FO said they are going to be looking to upgrade the pitching through FA this off-season.

Nov 2, 2012, 02:48 PM	#13
dansaint Location: Middletown, IL Posts: 851	my only question for Cubs fans is...what are you willing to give up for Haren, who has a history of back issues? __________________ YOUR 2012 ILLINOIS LOYALTY FANTASY FOOTBALL CHAMPION!!!!!!

Nov 2, 2012, 05:55 PM	#16
NorthwesternIllini4 Location: Chicago Posts: 422	Looks like the Cubs are indeed about to send Carlos Marmol to the Angels for Dan Haren. Deets forthcoming. http://www.bleachernation.com/2012/1...for-dan-haren/

Nov 2, 2012, 07:00 PM	#18
Serious Late Location: Albuquerque via Chicago via Champaign via Peoria Posts: 1,884	http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...os-marmol.html Is it a go? Is it not a go? I dunno, but I will take Haren for Marmol every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Go Theo! __________________ One word... Consistency.

Nov 2, 2012, 07:33 PM	#20
stevo99 Posts: 849	Good move for the Cubs. Haren may have one really good year left. And even if he's only decent, he'll give you 180-200 innings and his SO rate hasn't dropped much at all.

Nov 2, 2012, 08:10 PM	#21
AHSIllini32 Posts: 6,985	Wow, helluva deal by the braintrust. Either Haren pitches his ass off like he's capable of and gets dealt at the deadline for top prospects or he does decent and you just keep him in your rotation. By the way, I don't know how I forgot Garza in my SP rotation earlier. 1) Garza 2) Haren 3) Shark 4) Demp (if resigned; the Cubs have talked to him already apparently) 5) Wood That's not a bad rotation at all...just gotta fill in that lineup with some bats.

Nov 2, 2012, 08:58 PM	#22
Serious Late Location: Albuquerque via Chicago via Champaign via Peoria Posts: 1,884	http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...os-marmol.html Looking more sketchy that it happens. National media jumped on it as if it were a done deal, but looking iffy now. FYI, MLBTradeRumors = Best baseball site on the interwebs. __________________ One word... Consistency.

Nov 2, 2012, 09:00 PM	#23
NorthwesternIllini4 Location: Chicago Posts: 422	Now all reports saying that the deal fell through. My guess is Team Thoyer got an updated medical report and saw something they didn't like. As an aside, I've wondered lately how the information age has really changed how we as fans follow our teams. It's crazy to think that even 5 years ago (pre-twitter), we wouldn't have had nearly the instantaneous access to info in situations like this, DJack's recruitment, etc.

Nov 2, 2012, 10:46 PM	#25
Serious Late Location: Albuquerque via Chicago via Champaign via Peoria Posts: 1,884	http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...ns-option.html Haren's option has been declined by the Angels. He is going to enter the free market. If the Cubs want him, he is there for the gettin'. Interesting to see the Cubs starting to go for talent now though. I take this as a good sign, regardless of whether they got him. Hopefully last season was the bottoming out, and we are building up from here. __________________ One word... Consistency.