Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (September 2016)

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Magoo
The NCAA does provide some catastrophic insurance said:
And also a known effect of playing a sport you love throughout college which allowed you to get a degree which allows you to get a job where you can purchase health insurance just like everyone else.

If you take this step then where do you stop? I played high school ball and didn't get paid and I've had a chronically bad back. Should my high school have to foot the bill for those injuries as well? I remember l realize the economics are different but college athletes have an opportunity to get a free education which should allow them career opportunities which would allow them to purchase their own health insurance. I'd they do not take advantage of that opportunity and aren't covered, why should the schools pay for it further down the line?

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Obelix
Magoo said:
And also a known effect of playing a sport you love throughout college which allowed you to get a degree which allows you to get a job where you can purchase health insurance just like everyone else.

If you take this step then where do you stop? I played high school ball and didn't get paid and I've had a chronically bad back. Should my high school have to foot the bill for those injuries as well? I remember l realize the economics are different but college athletes have an opportunity to get a free education which should allow them career opportunities which would allow them to purchase their own health insurance. I'd they do not take advantage of that opportunity and aren't covered, why should the schools pay for it further down the line?
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Not only is it a bad argument, but it is economically infeasible. Colleges already provide insurance for athletes, not only just for catastrophic injuries but pretty much all injuries incurred while in college. While this is a lot, most of the wear and tear in revenue sports, due to constant training, pushing the limits of endurance, contact, etc. take a toll on athletes and their effects may not be immediately visible but they will likely surface later in life as lingering injuries, whether that is pain in the joints, muscle, back, feet, hands, tendons, etc. Extremely likely that an ex-athlete will suffer from something like that in his/her lifetime and require medical treatment.

There is absolutely no way that in addition to insurance provided to athletes while in college, universities will cover lifetime healthcare to the hundreds of athletes every year, men and women,in revenue sports. That is hundreds of athletes every year. You are talking about hundreds of millions and collectively billions of dollars. Colleges and universities will never ever take such liability and pay long term costs like that.
 
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icengineer
Hundreds? I'd say thousands of college athletes, you can't just keep it narrowed down to football players. Definitely not a doable thing. There's always Obamacare....:huh:
 
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coryfor3
icengineer said:
Hundreds? I'd say thousands of college athletes, you can't just keep it narrowed down to football players. Definitely not a doable thing. There's always Obamacare....:huh:
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I don't know what has happened to this thread.

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zpfled
miketherevelator said:
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Michael O'Brien Verified account ‏@michaelsobrien This one is tricky. DePaul Prep's Perry Cowan has received an offer from DePaul head coach Dave Leitao according to Mike Mullins.


nut so fun, although I find it amusing Pearl has an assistant coach named Dollar.

How has Auburn basketball become a recruiting behemoth?

http://auburn.247sports.com/Bolt/How-has-Auburn-basketball-become-a-recruiting-behemoth-47864269
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Everyone has Coach Dollar on their staff. Auburn is another level of dirty.
 
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Calvin
zpfled said:
Everyone has Coach Dollar on their staff. Auburn is another level of dirty.
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It's really, really hard for me to believe the NCAA is any cleaner than say, the big banks. YMMV. Competing in that kind of system is race to the bottom, and will continue to be so until there's real punishment for working outside the rules.
 
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Second and Chalmers
Calvin said:
It's really, really hard for me to believe the NCAA is any cleaner than say, the big banks. YMMV. Competing in that kind of system is race to the bottom, and will continue to be so until there's real punishment for working outside the rules.
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That's a pretty good analogy.

A byzantine, complex rulebook, huge incentives for cheating, the regulated having much more money, people and sophistication than the regulators, and punishments which don't touch the people responsible when they fall at all is not a recipe for success.
 
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coryfor3
miketherevelator said:
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Michael O'Brien Verified account ‏@michaelsobrien This one is tricky. DePaul Prep's Perry Cowan has received an offer from DePaul head coach Dave Leitao according to Mike Mullins.


nut so fun, although I find it amusing Pearl has an assistant coach named Dollar.

How has Auburn basketball become a recruiting behemoth?

http://auburn.247sports.com/Bolt/How-has-Auburn-basketball-become-a-recruiting-behemoth-47864269
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I believe Chad is Cameron Dollar's brother (former UCLA guard). Interesting.
 
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Interesting.
Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 2m2 minutes ago All signs pointing to Michigan State landing Top 100 player Xavier Tillman, a skilled big man from Grand Rapids.

but the last two picks, including Meyer this morning, have gone to Marquette. http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitut...pids-Christian-76155/CurrentExpertPredictions

Either way it looks like Hammer and Rails will be in panic mode again. They lost Jackson, Battey and a good chance they're losing on Tillman and Eastern and were in the final 2 or 3 on all of them. http://www.hammerandrails.com/2016/9/27/13080084/evan-battey-commits-to-colorado
 
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make it last 3, including a Michigan State insider.
 
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Obelix
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But that said, Creighton isn't a mid-major.
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Depends on the actual definition used, which they have become fuzzier with the new realignment. The "new" big east is not a power conference, yet not really a mid-major either, but definitely not the high-major conference that it used to be under the "old" big east status. There are quite a few programs that were never considered mid-majors (e.g., Georgetown, Villanova, etc.) but at the same time I still have a hard time considering some of the new additions that were not part of the "old" big east (e.g., Creighton, Butler) as high-majors either.
 
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Serious Late
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Depends on the actual definition used, which they have become fuzzier with the new realignment. The "new" big east is not a power conference, yet not really a mid-major either, but definitely not the high-major conference that it used to be under the "old" big east status. There are quite a few programs that were never considered mid-majors (e.g., Georgetown, Villanova, etc.) but at the same time I still have a hard time considering some of the new additions that were not part of the "old" big east (e.g., Creighton, Butler) as high-majors either.
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The Big East is a power conference in basketball.
 
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