Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (April 2017)

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He's terrific, but people are overstating it because they're getting into a tizzy based on the same blind optimism that we've had for every single recruit ever at this stage in the process.

*Learning lesson and shutting up now*

Man that's who's reading the basketball message board of a team that hasn't made the NCAAS in 4 years in late April is us optimists... nobody's arguing that. But it isn't blind... watch the tapes theres some reason for optimism here.
 
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I have been high on this kid ever since I saw his HUDL tape several months ago. He is a great passer, plays defense and can score at will against competition that was not a bunch of scrubs. This is not last minute hyping/overstating of the kid's abilities, this is excitement because we know this kid is good and going to get better.
 
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Popz wanted him to take his time, not rush, and go through the steps in the recruiting process. In retrospect, I'm not sure what could have been done to get him to play anywhere else. He really just wanted to enjoy the whole thing because he now has the cache to do so.

"Try it, you don't like it, you never have to eat it again".

I will say, again, that this team will STILL look much different than what it looks like at this moment in time. Trust this staff. They know what theyre doing and I now know this for a fact. Ramp it up.
 
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ivwilsoniv

Aurora, IL
Based on the optimism here...

The only thing that sucks about this is that we have to wait almost another two days (depending on your time zone).
 
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Based on the optimism here...

The only thing that sucks about this is that we have to wait almost another two days (depending on your time zone).



I was just thinking a bout that myself, and thinking if I was MS and was coming here I would be reading all these boards and just laughing my tail off, same if he was going to MSU or where ever, I would be sitting back just getting a good chuckle out of everything said.
 
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ivwilsoniv

Aurora, IL
Just for a slightly different topic, based on 247's Class Calculator feature...

A commitment from Mark Smith would move us into #28 overall class for 2017 (just behind Iowa State by 0.01).
A subsequent commitment from Jeremiah Tilmon (whether it's likely or not) would move us back into the top 10 (ahead of Oregon).

Food for thought.
 
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The Galloping Ghost

Washington, DC
Almost nothing about this post is accurate. Blue bloods do not shop for leftovers. Not sure what your agenda is here, but you are being unduly dismissive of the value of Mr. Smith. He may not be "5-star", but he is a very desirable recruit as made evident by the coaches who have pursued him.

It's inarguable Smith is more valuable because of the circumstances. He's a good player still available very late in the game. Schools with an extra scholarship don't have a lot of reason not to offer him, especially when those same schools often don't have a problem Creaning guys that don't immediately make an impact. Smith would be a solid recruit for us, but to them, he's just another cog that can easily be replaced next season.

I don't think S&C is being dismissive by pointing out the circumstances that have created the Smith groundswell.

I love sports and my school, but ultimately, it's just teens playing basketball. Differing opinions should be allowed and none of this should be that serious.
 
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Tevo

Wilmette, IL
In fairness, it's an easy mistake to make since the only place you can get a jacket is down to the Farm and Fleet.

Now, I hate to defend Iowans, but... nevermind. Stupid Iowans.
 
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It's inarguable Smith is more valuable because of the circumstances. He's a good player still available very late in the game. Schools with an extra scholarship don't have a lot of reason not to offer him, especially when those same schools often don't have a problem Creaning guys that don't immediately make an impact. Smith would be a solid recruit for us, but to them, he's just another cog that can easily be replaced next season.

I don't think S&C is being dismissive by pointing out the circumstances that have created the Smith groundswell.

I love sports and my school, but ultimately, it's just teens playing basketball. Differing opinions should be allowed and none of this should be that serious.

Smith isn't getting these offers because of the unique circumstances. There are plenty of elite talents remaining that these blue bloods could pursue more fervently if they though Smith was just good.

Smith is elite. UK and Duke recruit elite players period. According to 247 the #s 2, 5, 10, 13, 18, 25, 39 and 40 are still uncommitted from the top 50. Wouldn't their time be better spent chasing these guys than in Edwardsville?

Regardless if he comes here or not, Smith is a top recruit who may have been discovered late but that doesn't minimize how good he is.
 
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haasi

New York
They wouldn't be recruiting him if they didn't think there was a decent shot he could be a good contributor for them now or more likely at some later point in his career. He's shown a ton this season and risen a lot, but let's not kid ourselves he had much less exposure than a lot of others who had multiple seasons of AAU ball. There are occasionally late riders and everyone wants to get in because he's a lottery ticket and may prove to be awesome but at minimum would be expected to be a good four year player. There is very little sense in him being #78 when he consistently outplayed a number of higher ranked players this year like Goodwin (50) and finished ahead of Tilmon and many others in mr basketball vote. He's a top 50 player with not as much pub for rankings purposes but lots of late hype and a very fast rise, making him super appealing


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Yes I know, so why spend valuable time on a meh guy?

Who said Mark Smith was meh? He's very talented and everyone recognizes that. The post I responded to was:

there is ample objective reason to believe he is underrated and probably significantly so.

Which is false. Everyone has taken a good look at Mark Smith and decided, quite justifiably, that he is a surefire Power Five level talent, a potential impact player, the kind of guy any program in the country would want.

There are levels above that.
 
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haasi

New York
S/C. You seem to buy that rankings are perfectly efficient, which they are definitely not. So much is determined by exposure thru AAU, and Smith did a ton of his damage this HS season when he dominated excellent competition, but with less of a national HS recruiting site eye on him. All evidence from this season points to him being better than 78, and 78 is good, but you are right that there are levels above that


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Who said Mark Smith was meh? He's very talented and everyone recognizes that. The post I responded to was:



Which is false. Everyone has taken a good look at Mark Smith and decided, quite justifiably, that he is a surefire Power Five level talent, a potential impact player, the kind of guy any program in the country would want.

There are levels above that.

Meh was in response to the assertion that UK would just take a chance on him and recruit over if he didn't work out. UK doesn't do that. They are the standard bearers in recruiting and can pretty much pick who they want. If they offer you, Calipari is saying you are one of the top players in the Country regardless of ranking.

Duke may see Smith as a backup plan which would lend credence to your theory of a good not great prospect, but frankly UK is miles ahead of everyone in talent evaluation and success in landing their targets
 
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Tevo

Wilmette, IL
The reason I'm excited about Smith is not because of his RSCI ranking, nor because MSU, Kentucky and (conditionally?) Duke offered -- it's because he seems to be one of those rare guys that has enough athleticism, basektball IQ, scoring ability, playmaking ability and sheer size to make a difference in many roles, many spots on the floor, and in many situations. Hearing that BU's system has "interchangeable" players in the 1-4, it seems to me that having guys like Smith are EXACTLY what you want. He can pass it, he can handle it, he can score on jumpers, he can post up smaller guards (of which he will encounter a lot), and he can likely learn to defend a variety of guys with his size. He may not be spectacular at any one of those skills, and he may not be considered one of the Top 50 individual players by whatever metrics the evaluators use, but he sounds perfect for us.

People have joked about how Underwood's system is "perfect" for every player, and how every player will benefit from Underwood's system. All joking aside, a versatile guy like Smith, with that aforementioned combination of skills and traits, really DOES seem ready-made for an interchangeable system, much more so than guys with more impressive single skills, like JCL's shooting, or with obvious holes like JCL's ball-handling.
 
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Wednesday is my birthday, a Mark Smith commitment would be a good present. I'm much more excited for that then turning 30 :eek:

Was hoping to stay in my 20s forever. Will accept getting older if it means Illini Basketball will reclaim its place in basketball hierarchy. No pressure Mark. :shield:
 
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The reason I'm excited about Smith is not because of his RSCI ranking, nor because MSU, Kentucky and (conditionally?) Duke offered -- it's because he seems to be one of those rare guys that has enough athleticism, basektball IQ, scoring ability, playmaking ability and sheer size to make a difference in many roles, many spots of the floor and in many situations. Hearing that BU's system has "interchangeable" players in the 1-4, it seems to me that having guys like Smith are EXACTLY what you want. He can pass it, he can handle it, he can score on jumpers, he can post up smaller guards (of which he will encounter a lot), and he can likely learn to defend a variety of guys with his size. He may not be spectacular at any one of those skills, and he may not be considered one of the Top 50 individual players by whatever metrics the evaluators use, but he sounds perfect for us.

People have joked about how Underwood's system is "perfect" for every player, and how every player will benefit from Underwood's system. All joking aside, a versatile guy like Smith, with that aforementioned combination of skills and traits, really DOES seem ready-made for an interchangeable system, much more so than guys with more impressive single skills, like JCL's shooting, or with obvious holes like JCL's ball-handling.

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Wow, good for him. I am kind of shocked as I figured he was an EIU or WIU level kid. My kids played his school in basketball and not a lot of D1 players.....like none in last 10-15 years.

I was responding to the quote about Bruniga committing to ISU
 
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The reason I'm excited about Smith is not because of his RSCI ranking, nor because MSU, Kentucky and (conditionally?) Duke offered -- it's because he seems to be one of those rare guys that has enough athleticism, basektball IQ, scoring ability, playmaking ability and sheer size to make a difference in many roles, many spots on the floor, and in many situations. Hearing that BU's system has "interchangeable" players in the 1-4, it seems to me that having guys like Smith are EXACTLY what you want. He can pass it, he can handle it, he can score on jumpers, he can post up smaller guards (of which he will encounter a lot), and he can likely learn to defend a variety of guys with his size. He may not be spectacular at any one of those skills, and he may not be considered one of the Top 50 individual players by whatever metrics the evaluators use, but he sounds perfect for us.

People have joked about how Underwood's system is "perfect" for every player, and how every player will benefit from Underwood's system. All joking aside, a versatile guy like Smith, with that aforementioned combination of skills and traits, really DOES seem ready-made for an interchangeable system, much more so than guys with more impressive single skills, like JCL's shooting, or with obvious holes like JCL's ball-handling.

Great post
 
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Wednesday is my birthday, a Mark Smith commitment would be a good present. I'm much more excited for that then turning 30 :eek:

Was hoping to stay in my 20s forever. Will accept getting older if it means Illini Basketball will reclaim its place in basketball hierarchy. No pressure Mark. :shield:
Dude.....LOL I remember my 30th birthday, 21 years ago. You've got a long way to go until you are old. I am 51 and wouldn't be old if it wasn't for my health which has sucked the last three years.

happy birthday and Mark Smith committing to us is our present to you. :D
 
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