Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (September 2017)
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homesickalien
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I get what you're saying but this is exactly what I'm talking about. I can post things I hear as well, but that's where being a journalist comes into play and knowing what to put out and what not to. He seems to do the hey this is what I heard a lot. It doesn't bring any value, but it does bring hits for him. Whether he purposely does it or not doesn't matter to me. I'm sure he's in the know and has brought some good info before, but there's too much of the other stuff for me.
There's definitely a fine line for people in positions such as his.
mattcoldagelli
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Pretty sure Meyer doesn't do this. He's the only CB I really pay attention to.
He's coming up on 1,000 projections and is hitting at almost a 75% rate. That's solid.
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Oh, he certainly has done that.
But whatever the case, he's usually more plugged in than most. A Meyer CB for Nolley to VT by no means dooms us. But it's not a good thing.
mattcoldagelli
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Yeah, that's where I'm at.
Would be seriously bummed - I think this kid would be an incredible fit
How many of those projections were made at the last minute?
I agree the CB projections are lame for actual insider status but are fun to follow if you can just take with a heavy grain of salt
sacraig
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He does do this, though. He's right an awful lot, sure, but how many of those were swapped within the last several days or hours before a commitment, which is usually the only time frame during which any real info comes out on the end result?
I'll agree that his position makes him more plugged in than most, but I don't think his info comes any earlier than others with real info. It comes from the massive amount of data at his disposal.
Meyer absolutely engages in speculation before full facts are out, but is also absolutely more dialed in than most. His CB, while discouraging, shouldn't cause us to give up. Nolley has been in contact with the Illinois camp, including reporters. Either he's still genuinely interested in us, or he's playing us hard. I'm inclined to believe the former.
Meyer does not guess or hedge based on OV's coming up, etc. just to change later. He has has a very solid network of analysts and he is also very plugged in with college, HS, and AAU coaches.
Just because someone changes their CB pick (everyone does it, including Meyer) does not mean that the original pick was just a guess or hedging on visits. A recruitment of an athlete can change. A CB pick means that based on the information a person has, that is their best guess AT THE TIME of where the recruit will end up. That can change as recruitments progress in time, and as more information becomes available, so there is usually a convergence towards the end.
Obviously, CB is a marketing tool so it encourages participation by many analysts, so the information of some of them could be suspect, but Meyer is very well connected in the game and one of the best in the business. At minimum, it means that he has heard through his network some positive things pointing towards VT.
I don't doubt somebody told Mike that but the fact of the matter is that wasn't a good enough source to throw out on twitter. The kid's old h.s.?
Since then it's been reported to be false by Nolley himself who stated he doesn't even talk to Curie people anymore, another internet "guru", and the guy who's done this bracket from the beginning.
And the worst part about it is when he was confronted over this "news" from another internet guy who was told directly from Nolley this wasn't true his ridiculous rebuttal was "I don't actually believe what kids tell people only what I hear 3rd hand".
So he doesn't believe in direct sources? That's bold.
At one point in time I liked O'brien but after he came over to rivals for a few weeks and his opinion was challenged he took his ball and went home. seems like a blowhard to me.
I would agree Hendrikson is the best evaluator in the area but MOB has connections as you say. I don't like his delivery because it has a slant against UI but he does have information.
I think you should start with correcting the feeling that we are holding 4 of a kind... and less the lack of reality that others are always coming up with a straight flush.
I think you should start with correcting the feeling that we are holding 4 of a kind... and less the lack of reality that others are always coming up with a straight flush.
I'm sure you are right, but I cannot help myself.
I think you should start with correcting the feeling that we are holding 4 of a kind... and less the lack of reality that others are always coming up with a straight flush.
So......2 pair? and 3 of a kind?
Oh c'mon, so you think if the original report was correct, Nolley would just confirm it and not deny it?
sacraig
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Obelix said:
These two pieces of your post contradict one another. Of course (most of) these guys make their picks based on information they have and not wild guesses. Also, it's true that Meyer seems to have, on average, better information than most, largely because he has such a large amount of data at his disposal from his network of analysts. That said, he does hedge, and it's silly to act like scheduled OVs are not part of the dataset that these guys use in making their picks.
It could just as easily be that he has very concrete info that says that Nolley is starting to lean VT, or it could be that he has very little concrete info so he is making a change based on reading the tea leaves knowing full well he can just change later (as he often does). Either way, it's not "good" for us, but it's not necessarily a strong indicator, either. Until near the very end, crystal balls rarely are.
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I don't see that anywhere, but if he did say it, sounds like a joke to me. What I did see when Ryan Evans made a big deal of talking to everyone because if this is true, his prediction is wrong was this:
Michael O'BrienVerified account @michaelsobrien 58m58 minutes ago
ha, thx. good for Illini! Generally found the kids to be the worst source of recruiting info though. Tell everyone what they want to hear.
One thing I'll say is I'll go way out on a limb here and say MOB is definitely more plugged into what is being said in Chicago than the Swami.
Mike is a pretty nice guy actually -- don't know him well, but we email and I see him when he comes out to games in the Fox Valley. Def not a blowhard.
mattcoldagelli
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I mean, the bold is not just true, but demonstrably so.
Didn't we all just live through about 5 years of "insiders" serially failing at differentiating the real info from the BS recruits will serve them just to be left alone?
sacraig
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This is the only thing I saw him post as well. And to be honest, it seems plausible to me. The recruits are generally going to tell people what they want to hear and try and get as many people liking them and following them on social media as possible. They are more likely to be honest with someone with no skin in the game in private rather than the media, so it is conceivable that second-hand sources may be more reliable. That said, that's kind of crappy for said sources to share that private info.
Virginia is. Florida is not.
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