Illinois 88, Missouri 63 Postgame

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I don’t suggest replacing the Braggin’ Rights game and look forward to it every year. A program on the rise though that could be somewhat of a “natural rival” would be Loyola Chicago and would probably generate decent interest at the UC. Would prefer that over UIC, DePaul and (recently) Notre Dame.

Edit: not to mention, wouldn’t mind serving them a butt-kicking every year for ending our 2021 NCAA Tourney run.
 
#228      

Tacomallini

Washington State
1. I don't want to get rid of Braggin' Rights. Flipping love that game.
2. I would like to see Marquette, DePaul, or Notre Dame for other regional rivalry games.
3. Would love to see a home and home w/ Gonzaga or Washington but that's mostly self serving so I can see the Illini in person at least every other year.
4. Would probably have to expand to a 40 game season to make all this happen.
 
#229      

Tophe

Middle TN
Loved this dunk!

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#230      

sacraig

The desert
No reason why we cannot have more than one rivalry game. How about a 4 team tourney at United Center? Illinois, Loyola, DePaul and Notre Dame? I know it will never happen, but I would love to see it.
There's not a lot of benefit to that. If I'm going to play a tournament, I want it to be all Q1 games.
 
#232      
Speaking of Parker Braun I was just about to post a little tidbit about him. I came across his name while I was looking up the Illinois Missouri stats. I seem to remember that he came down to either Illinois or Missouri and as Tacoma said he not only chose Missouri but went as preferred walk on and turned down a full scholarship. Anyway, he transferred this year to Santa Clara. Not doing too badly there. He is a starter, just under 9 points a game, and 6.3 rebounds.

I gotta say, friend, you joined up today and your first post or two is basically a nugget that has stirred up a large chunk of the Illini fanbase asking “why should we even care about this game??” And then you show interest in Parker Braun, providing stats that no Illini fan would ever care about or waste time looking up.

I’m beginning to think you’re a troll and Miznoz fan.

Now, if you’re not, my sincerest apologies. That’s a pretty harsh label to put on someone. “Miznoz fan”

If you are an Illini fan, simply find the team you despise the most and use that to empathize with the rest of us. If there’s a team out there that causes you to grind your teeth with anger when they win against us, that’s Miznoz.

If there is no team like that for you, then yes it would be hard for you to understand.

And for those saying you need to go to a game, they are absolutely correct. But you don’t get the full hate unless you are unfortunate enough to go to a game where we lose. Their fans are absolutely awful. They will throw things at you in a drunken stupor, start fistfights, and come up to you screaming in a spit-filled, obscenity-laced rage about how you suck. Often times unprovoked and with children all around.

They are absolutely the worst and need to lose every one of these games. Even when they are good.
 
#234      
I gotta say, friend, you joined up today and your first post or two is basically a nugget that has stirred up a large chunk of the Illini fanbase asking “why should we even care about this game??” And then you show interest in Parker Braun, providing stats that no Illini fan would ever care about or waste time looking up.

I’m beginning to think you’re a troll and Miznoz fan.

Now, if you’re not, my sincerest apologies. That’s a pretty harsh label to put on someone. “Miznoz fan”

If you are an Illini fan, simply find the team you despise the most and use that to empathize with the rest of us. If there’s a team out there that causes you to grind your teeth with anger when they win against us, that’s Miznoz.

If there is no team like that for you, then yes it would be hard for you to understand.

And for those saying you need to go to a game, they are absolutely correct. But you don’t get the full hate unless you are unfortunate enough to go to a game where we lose. Their fans are absolutely awful. They will throw things at you in a drunken stupor, start fistfights, and come up to you screaming in a spit-filled, obscenity-laced rage about how you suck. Often times unprovoked and with children all around.

They are absolutely the worst and need to lose every one of these games. Even when they are good.
Why would a Missouri fan trash talk his team (my many, many suggestions about doing better than Missouri for a rival)? Or want to suggest stopping the games? So, no, not a Missouri fan. And I have been to many games. Season ticket holder when I was attending the U of I and after graduation I would see at least one game at Assembly Hall every year and sometimes more than one. And I used to always go to the Northwestern game up here in Chicago.
 
#235      

dish3

Seattle
Bbv is a tremendous passer, there is your answer
He does really well in throwing the entry pass to Kofi as soon as he touches the ball, like a soccer player one touch. If he holds it, he's nowhere near as skilled as Grandison, who seems to be finding Kofi better than anyone lately with Belo on the bench
 
#238      
Why would a Missouri fan trash talk his team (my many, many suggestions about doing better than Missouri for a rival)? Or want to suggest stopping the games? So, no, not a Missouri fan. And I have been to many games. Season ticket holder when I was attending the U of I and after graduation I would see at least one game at Assembly Hall every year and sometimes more than one. And I used to always go to the Northwestern game up here in Chicago.
Who knows why Miznoz fans do what they do? They are insane.

Glad you’re one of us.

If they ever get good enough to make this a good matchup again, I think it’ll change your perception. Or if we get SO good that we basically require nationally televised games all the time it may not matter.
 
#239      
We used to play Notre Dame in Chicago every year during the 60s. Pretty good series.
This would be cool, but I say … why elevate Notre Dame in an Illinois-based market, especially when most ND fans in Chicagoland are football only? I’m against helping them generate interest there.

Frankly, by elevating us to an “equal” in the Braggin’ Rights Game, Mizzou kind of does us a favor as far as exposure goes. They probably outnumber us in the STL Area 4:1, but this event screams to the world that St. Louis is a split city between Mizzou and our Illini, and I love it … but I’m not as eager to do the same for another school in our other big market. :)

(I wouldn’t complain too much if it happened, though … would be another fun annual event, and the UC would be 75% Illini fans anyway.)
 
#240      
How quickly we forget we have 1 NCAA tournament win in 8 years…

We are not above Mizzou. We are not that far superior to them that we should be looking to end this game. They are winning this rivalry over the past 10 years. It’s a great game that should happen every year
Agree with everything past your first two sentences. ;) Our program is in an infinitely healthier position than theirs, and a cancelled Tournament in ‘20 and an upset in ‘21 doesn’t change that, IMO.
 
#241      
But it isn't a national game, not anymore and I think there is some reasoning behind that for the major networks. It doesn't mean much to anyone but Illinois and Missouri fans which is fine. Reasons, well I think I have gone on long enough on my reasons. But I guess it basically boils down to Illinois can do better. And I was more interested in the existential reason(s) as far as why Missouri? Why not a duck? (any Marx brothers fans here should get that reference). But seriously folks, why not someone else? Someone a step up from Missouri. I think we, well, most of us, would soon forget the Braggin' Rights games after 20 or so games with Kentucky over a span of the same number of years (that is just an example, I actually have no idea who could or would replace Missouri). We would adapt. Humans are quite adept at adapting.

I think your example of the Apple Cup is completely different. That is a game between Washington State and Univ. of Washington the two biggest state schools. Heck, if I lived in Washington I would probably like to see that every year, too. I just think it is different kind of deal. But aside from that example of being one sided and that plenty of rivalries are one sided, do you have more examples, at the major college level? Or maybe I should limit it to basketball college level. I can already think of one example in football; just about anyone Notre Dame plays every year, like Navy. Although I am not sure you would call that a rivalry. It may be just typical Notre Dame year in and year out playing the softest schedule they can.

Also, some of the responses to my posts have mentioned about how it is a fertile recruiting zone. Which I get. But how many St. Louis area players have we gotten over the years? I have no idea as I don't follow recruiting very much. So maybe a lot for all I know but I don't see anyone from that area currently on the team. Illinois did pretty well with Tilmon, Pickett and Smith all from the St. Louis area all committing before BU came and then two de-committed so that was kind of wash. Also, Illinois emphasis has always been Chicago (and Peoria). Hasn't always worked, of course.

But like I said earlier I don't really care one way or the other. It's fine if we keep playing Missouri but I just think we can do better (as I have said almost ad nauseum now). After all, there was a big rivalry game between Illinois and Missouri in football, the Arch Game?, that went from 1975 to 2010. It even engendered the Braggin' Rights series. That one was stopped, albeit I know it is going to be resurrected in a few years. I do not know why it was stopped although Illinois did not fare well. Maybe that was why although I am sure no one in an official capacity would admit that.
I think the problem is that rivalries can't be manufactured. A good rivalry comes down to geography, parity, or history... and typically a combination of all three. Sure, we could probably find a higher profile opponent to play us on a neutral court (used to do that every year at the UC) but the fans aren't going to be more passionate about the game just because the marketing department calls it a rivalry game.

It sounds like you're looking for more parity? It really pains me to say this, but historically, Illinois is closer to Missouri than it is Kentucky. And Kentucky simply wouldn't care about playing us.

The only other nonconference opponent that could become a decent rivalry IMO, is Notre Dame if played in Chicago every year. But even then, I don't think you'd see the same passion from either fanbase that you do in the Braggin Rights game.
 
#244      

The Galloping Ghost

Washington, DC
I think the problem is that rivalries can't be manufactured. A good rivalry comes down to geography, parity, or history... and typically a combination of all three. Sure, we could probably find a higher profile opponent to play us on a neutral court (used to do that every year at the UC) but the fans aren't going to be more passionate about the game just because the marketing department calls it a rivalry game.

It sounds like you're looking for more parity? It really pains me to say this, but historically, Illinois is closer to Missouri than it is Kentucky. And Kentucky simply wouldn't care about playing us.

The only other nonconference opponent that could become a decent rivalry IMO, is Notre Dame if played in Chicago every year. But even then, I don't think you'd see the same passion from either fanbase that you do in the Braggin Rights game.
Not to get into old sh*t, but we know how that went. Started off well enough with some marquee matchups in front of a packed house, but devolved into us playing New Mexico State with 5,695 fans (looked it up to be exact) in 2017. Not great. Meanwhile, we can reliably fill our side of the gym when we play Mizzou. While it's not my blood rivalry due to being from the east coast, I totally get the border war and think it's a dope and unique game that's well worth playing every year.
 
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#246      
But it isn't a national game, not anymore and I think there is some reasoning behind that for the major networks. It doesn't mean much to anyone but Illinois and Missouri fans which is fine. Reasons, well I think I have gone on long enough on my reasons. But I guess it basically boils down to Illinois can do better. And I was more interested in the existential reason(s) as far as why Missouri? Why not a duck? (any Marx brothers fans here should get that reference). But seriously folks, why not someone else? Someone a step up from Missouri. I think we, well, most of us, would soon forget the Braggin' Rights games after 20 or so games with Kentucky over a span of the same number of years (that is just an example, I actually have no idea who could or would replace Missouri). We would adapt. Humans are quite adept at adapting.

I think your example of the Apple Cup is completely different. That is a game between Washington State and Univ. of Washington the two biggest state schools. Heck, if I lived in Washington I would probably like to see that every year, too. I just think it is different kind of deal. But aside from that example of being one sided and that plenty of rivalries are one sided, do you have more examples, at the major college level? Or maybe I should limit it to basketball college level. I can already think of one example in football; just about anyone Notre Dame plays every year, like Navy. Although I am not sure you would call that a rivalry. It may be just typical Notre Dame year in and year out playing the softest schedule they can.

Also, some of the responses to my posts have mentioned about how it is a fertile recruiting zone. Which I get. But how many St. Louis area players have we gotten over the years? I have no idea as I don't follow recruiting very much. So maybe a lot for all I know but I don't see anyone from that area currently on the team. Illinois did pretty well with Tilmon, Pickett and Smith all from the St. Louis area all committing before BU came and then two de-committed so that was kind of wash. Also, Illinois emphasis has always been Chicago (and Peoria). Hasn't always worked, of course.

But like I said earlier I don't really care one way or the other. It's fine if we keep playing Missouri but I just think we can do better (as I have said almost ad nauseum now). After all, there was a big rivalry game between Illinois and Missouri in football, the Arch Game?, that went from 1975 to 2010. It even engendered the Braggin' Rights series. That one was stopped, albeit I know it is going to be resurrected in a few years. I do not know why it was stopped although Illinois did not fare well. Maybe that was why although I am sure no one in an official capacity would admit that.
You keep saying we can do better. Here is your chance to specifically state the opponent and the location that would be "better"
 
#247      
I don’t suggest replacing the Braggin’ Rights game and look forward to it every year. A program on the rise though that could be somewhat of a “natural rival” would be Loyola Chicago and would probably generate decent interest at the UC. Would prefer that over UIC, DePaul and (recently) Notre Dame.

Edit: not to mention, wouldn’t mind serving them a butt-kicking every year for ending our 2021 NCAA Tourney run.
We are not going to schedule a series with in-state schools. It’s a lose lose situation. If we win nobody cares or will pay to attend these games especially in the United Center. If they win it helps their recruiting and hurts ours. That’s why we haven’t and will not in the future. The UIC series at the United Center was a Disaster! We don’t want to play DePaul, or ISU, possibly Notre Dame because they are out of state but they don’t have that much pull as a basketball school. If you want a better game then we need to play Kansas, Duke, or Kentucky…again at the United Center. Unfortunately it’s tough to get those big names to commit.
 
#249      
Why would a Missouri fan trash talk his team (my many, many suggestions about doing better than Missouri for a rival)? Or want to suggest stopping the games? So, no, not a Missouri fan. And I have been to many games. Season ticket holder when I was attending the U of I and after graduation I would see at least one game at Assembly Hall every year and sometimes more than one. And I used to always go to the Northwestern game up here in Chicago.
It was known as The Assembly Hall, wasn’t it?
We were the first one. That other one came along second. Unless you meant you saw one game a year in Bloomington In. In which case my apologies.
 
#250      
Missouri in St Louis and should never be dropped under normal circumstances. The situation we're in now is fine, for example.

I'd love to see home and away at the UC and in KC with Kansas. Perhaps a Dallas game and UC against Texas. There are some potential cool matchups.

As to a neutral site game that's driving distance, hard to beat this. Marquette in Chicago? Louisville in Indy?

It's not an easily replicatable situation. Two P5 schools, within three hours of a large stadium, in different conferences.