Curbelo.Just a stray observation from the Purdue perspective, given that we’ll have to fill out a bracket in not too long:
Boy they really had a hard time closing out a game they had won at least 3-4 times didn’t they?
Curbelo.Just a stray observation from the Purdue perspective, given that we’ll have to fill out a bracket in not too long:
Boy they really had a hard time closing out a game they had won at least 3-4 times didn’t they?
I agree but he still takes some bad shots, you don't have to take my word for it, you can see BU's reaction and/or body language sometimes where he's not fond of some of them either. Its more about when in terms of the context of the game vs is it an easy or hard shot.I think Plummer is a tough shot maker. I wish he took more not less! He can make tough shots at a good percentage that others can't. He is by far our best shooter and needs a ton of freedom to let them fly. He will open up more lanes for Belo and Trent to drive than anyone can. He also was fouled on one that wasn't called and still hit half his threes.
totally agree, its easy to judge from the comfort of our couches, and we are all incredibly biased.As a guy who was an IHSA ref for 12 years, I don't get involved with criticizing officials. The job is incredibly difficult and you never get a chance to reflect on your call; it has to come immediately. Loren Tate used to say "The game of basketball can't be officiated." I wouldn't go that far, but every time down the floor you're confronted with "should I blow the whistle or not?" You scarcely even get a split second. The college game is much faster and more physical, so it's even more difficult than what I had to do.
Williams*Mitchell??
I'm not arguing that Kofi was struggling and didn't respond well early.
I can argue it because you have nothing but assumptions concerning what Kofi's play would have been like had he been able to play without the fouls...with even calls against Edey and Williams. My assumptions are that he would have played to his average....an actual measurable metric. Which means it's absolutely absurd nonsense to believe we are a better team without Kofi.
If you really need any actual evidence, go back and watch last years game vs. Edey. It's almost science that Kofi would have ended up closer to his average had he remained in the game and adjusted better. I'll let you do the math.
If Kofi finishes this game with the same number of fouls as Edey.....which means Kofi plays 10+ more minutes...and Edey plays 5-8 less....we win this game without OT.
So, in short, you should be questioning your sanity.
Thanks for the def. I learn so much on this site.Snarkiness does exist here on the Loyalty board ......That's an apt description of what i am seeing more of here now ...........
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Kofi finished 3-10 from the field, was getting shots stuffed back at him and again struggled to finish at the basket. Curbelo threw a lob up to him that should have been flushed. Instead, he caught it, brought it down, went up and missed the rim completely. On the other end, Edey got whatever he wanted. He backed Kofi in and was able to go over both shoulders to score. This was well before Kofi got into foul trouble.Mitchell??
I'm not arguing that Kofi was struggling and didn't respond well early.
I can argue it because you have nothing but assumptions concerning what Kofi's play would have been like had he been able to play without the fouls...with even calls against Edey and Williams. My assumptions are that he would have played to his average....an actual measurable metric. Which means it's absolutely absurd nonsense to believe we are a better team without Kofi.
If you really need any actual evidence, go back and watch last years game vs. Edey. It's almost science that Kofi would have ended up closer to his average had he remained in the game and adjusted better. I'll let you do the math.
If Kofi finishes this game with the same number of fouls as Edey.....which means Kofi plays 10+ more minutes...and Edey plays 5-8 less....we win this game without OT.
So, in short, you should be questioning your sanity.
I thought as long as bigs used their lower body to push against defender that was fine, but if upper body involved that would get called. Not so with Edey. He was using his arms to push against Kofi. That should be a foul in my basketball world.There's no way to play effective defense today against these giant centers(Kofi,Williams,Edey,etc.)other than double or triple teams. If you play man to man they just use their bulk to bang into the defender knocking him back until he's got a layup. The defender bangs back ...he's called for a foul. If the defender gets knocked down it's either a no call or called a flop. Anytime a big gets the ball down low I cringe because I know what's coming...bully ball. It's just the way the game is being called now. Every time our own "bully" Kofi gets the ball there are multiple fouls both ways but usually no whistles...while touch or phantom fouls are called on the perimeter.
Edey and BBV hardly went h2h during the game, it was mostly Trevion. Who also had nothing going against Kofi. The few minutes BBV had against Edey were in the 2nd half and OT when Edey was gassed since he can barely make it to 20 minutes in a game and went 27 in this one. Absolutely wild take to say BBV is physically stronger than Kofi. We are talking 7' 285 vs 6'8 235, Kofi would abuse BBV if he were on another team.Kofi finished 3-10 from the field, was getting shots stuffed back at him and again struggled to finish at the basket. Curbelo threw a lob up to him that should have been flushed. Instead, he caught it, brought it down, went up and missed the rim completely. On the other end, Edey got whatever he wanted. He backed Kofi in and was able to go over both shoulders to score. This was well before Kofi got into foul trouble.
BBV is physically stronger than Kofi. Edey couldn't move him. That was the difference and it was a big difference.
This is the 2nd game where Kofi played vs a center(s) his size or a guy who is more athletic. The other was vs Arizona (a loss). Kofi was 5 of 15 in that game. So, both games, 30% and 33% respectively. On a separate note, this is why Kofi isn't on any draft boards.
In any event, for this game, they were not as good, not as effective and not as efficient, on either end of the floor with Kofi in the game. This was true before his first foul and after his fifth.
To be clear, these comments that you're seeing was for this one game only. Nobody is saying that Illinois is better without Kofi. For ONE GAME, Illinois was more more effective and efficient with him out of the game and for Purdue, Edey was more effective and efficient with Kofi in the game. If being objective, that's unequivocally true.
Edey only scored 4 of his 9 baskets on Kofi. Only one of which was a result of him backing Kofi down.On the other end, Edey got whatever he wanted. He backed Kofi in and was able to go over both shoulders to score. This was well before Kofi got into foul trouble.
Yeah there were and most of them were against us including the one you think was the correct call.I’m not playing “what about”. There were lots of bad calls. Just stating my minority opinion on one discussed extensively.
We now have 3x the amount of posts in our post-game Purdue thread than MGoBlog's game thread had for Illinois-Michigan last Friday.How many more pages do we think we have in us for this post-game thread? is there a +/-? What’s the record?
This is the #5 all-time postgame thread in Loyalty history. Will not catch (still about 140 shy of) the all-time postgame thread, the ultimate of ultimates, a crunch-time devastating loss followed by 1 week till the next game: The Marquette Postgame Thread. Go IlliniHow many more pages do we think we have in us for this post-game thread? is there a +/-? What’s the record?
"BBV is physically stronger than Kofi". You heard it here first, folksKofi finished 3-10 from the field, was getting shots stuffed back at him and again struggled to finish at the basket. Curbelo threw a lob up to him that should have been flushed. Instead, he caught it, brought it down, went up and missed the rim completely. On the other end, Edey got whatever he wanted. He backed Kofi in and was able to go over both shoulders to score. This was well before Kofi got into foul trouble.
BBV is physically stronger than Kofi. Edey couldn't move him. That was the difference and it was a big difference.
This is the 2nd game where Kofi played vs a center(s) his size or a guy who is more athletic. The other was vs Arizona (a loss). Kofi was 5 of 15 in that game. So, both games, 30% and 33% respectively. On a separate note, this is why Kofi isn't on any draft boards.
In any event, for this game, they were not as good, not as effective and not as efficient, on either end of the floor with Kofi in the game. This was true before his first foul and after his fifth.
To be clear, these comments that you're seeing was for this one game only. Nobody is saying that Illinois is better without Kofi. For ONE GAME, Illinois was more more effective and efficient with him out of the game and for Purdue, Edey was more effective and efficient with Kofi in the game. If being objective, that's unequivocally true.
"BBV is physically stronger than Kofi". You heard it here first, folks
"BBV is physically stronger than Kofi". You heard it here first, folks
Reftastrophy aside, if it all comes together with Belo in the fold, watch out. Those rolls BBV was catching? Now imagine Kofi getting 3-4 of those a game instead of exhausting himself getting deep post position every offensive possession. You can run the spread when Curbelo sits and hammer P&R when he’s in while keeping good shooting around him. The offense was already excellent, now it’s a problem.
Could be from that elbow kofi took from Edey early in the game.....Eddy outplayed Kofi in this game but it won’t happen again.
It will never be consistent to people's satisfaction. Not everyone's... ANYONE'S. If refs make correct calls 96% of the time, the only part people will remember is the 4% that were messed up and the 20% additional that people THINK was messed up, even if it wasn't. Then they'll look at FT disparity and claim that it was unfair for their team. In a highly contested, highly emotional game with highly subjective rules, the refs will never come out looking good by more than 20% of the fan base. Every fan base thinks that they're being treated unfairly by the refs compared to the other team. The winners will stay 'Stop crying' or 'they're blowing call on both sides'.I've officiated some as well, your points are true. However, just like we talk about the game "slowing down" with more experience for players, the same is true is for officials. These crews have a lot of experience and should really be more consistent.
Was that the one he took to the jaw or did that come later in the game? Of course, the one to the jaw was a no callCould be from that elbow kofi took from Edey early in the game.....