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1/31 Polls & Bracketology - Illinois #18 in AP Poll
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altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
My goodness, he's astute. Also has discerning, subtle taste and is exceedingly handsome.Our biggest fan has us checking in at #10.
danielb927
Orange Krush Class of 2013
- Rochester, MN
The selection committee does not use raw NET or KenPom rankings for seeding. Wisconsin’s resume (read: Team Sheet and Quad 1 / Quad 2 record) is really really good right now, much better than ours. I assume that’s the rationale behind these seeds.
Take a look at the team sheets:
Illinois (Q1: 2-3; Q1+2: 7-5)
Wisconsin (Q1: 7-3; Q1+2: 10-3)
Yeah, I think the main purpose of NET is to establish Q1/Q2/Q3/Q4 for the purpose of judging teams' resumes.
I do like how ESPN has given the AQ to Wisconsin! Lotta season left and pretty sure we are tied Joe
Men's Bracketology: Duke plus Cooper Flagg makes Blue Devils early overall No. 1
Bracketology begins the off season projections with a familiar name at the top. Duke, led by generational recruit Cooper Flagg, starts our 2024-25 bracket cycle on top.
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sacraig
- The desert
It's likely as simple as who is currently in first, and when multiple teams are in first, pick the one with the highest ranking. We were briefly listed as the AQ last week or the week before when we had first alone.I do like how ESPN has given the AQ to Wisconsin! Lotta season left and pretty sure we are tied Joe
Men's Bracketology: Duke plus Cooper Flagg makes Blue Devils early overall No. 1
Bracketology begins the off season projections with a familiar name at the top. Duke, led by generational recruit Cooper Flagg, starts our 2024-25 bracket cycle on top.www.espn.com
C'mon man, don't you know ESPN is an evil corporation who's sole purpose is to intentionally annoy Illini basketball fans. Also they're lizard people.
GrayGhost77
- Centennial, CO
C'mon man, don't you know ESPN is an evil corporation who's sole purpose is to intentionally annoy Illini basketball fans. Also they're lizard people.
sacraig
- The desert
Interestingly, Torvik has us, Wisconsin and MSU all as 5 seeds. That would be interesting.
Bracket Matrix doesn't appear to have been updated in a while. 2 sites have us as a 7 but if you click on those sites, one has upgraded us to a 4 and the other has downgraded us to a 10 ( ).
Bracket Matrix doesn't appear to have been updated in a while. 2 sites have us as a 7 but if you click on those sites, one has upgraded us to a 4 and the other has downgraded us to a 10 (
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That sounds like you're sticking with the strawman, when the OP was that the conference meant nothing anymore.
There's a ton of fans that appreciate what it means to win the conference --how hard it is, what it means for seeding in the tournament, raising that banner, the program, recruiting, etc.. If you're interested in comparisons, probably better to spell it out --there's plenty to debate on how much various accomplishments help the program (rankings, conf, BTT, NCAAs to name a few). I think most people would agree that a FF is the best prize short of a NC.
7 Q1 wins. Wow.
Didn't last year's Illini have the most in the nation at one point? Think it was 8, and posters were saying we deserved that #1 seed because of it.
Not trying to turn this into a debate. There is no debate here.
You said, "March Madness has more appeal to the casual fan...That said, winning the conference means more for actual basketball fans."
It almost seems like you're saying that March Madness is more appealing to casual fans and winning conference means more to actual fans.
Whether that's what you actually believe or not, doesn't matter to me. I simply responded and said that success in the tournament is more important than regular season success TO ME. And it sounds like you agree with me, so I'm confused what we're even talking about.
I think the issue/confusion here is that this statement is very different from "I'd take a Final Four over a conference championship." I think everyone would agree with the latter. I think the former is more debatable and really depends on what "success" even means in regards to the tournament and regular season.
I also think it's naive to think tournament success can exist without regular season success. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the worse our seeding, the lower our odds of making the Final Four. We remember the Cinderella stories because they're rare, not because they're common, and even most of those teams aren't making it past the Sweet Sixteen.
sacraig
- The desert
And often, those Cinderella coaches spin it into a promotion to a larger school and then show vividly how success in the regular season is important for tournament success. See: Groce, John.
Yeah, it sounds like something has just been lost in translation here or, I missed some additional context somewhere.
My original point, to put it simply, is that I would rather win the post season vs win the regular season. Therefore, March Madness is more important to me than is the regular season.
Not a strawman because I'm not trying to persuade anyone of my opinion...which is a definitional requirement of an argument.
And it sounds like pretty much everyone is on the same page, so I apologize for wasting even more precious message board real-estate with this post.
I agree. Let's just win both.
I can't help but wonder if the B1G showing in the tourney last year will hurt seeding this year.Interestingly, Torvik has us, Wisconsin and MSU all as 5 seeds. That would be interesting.
Bracket Matrix doesn't appear to have been updated in a while. 2 sites have us as a 7 but if you click on those sites, one has upgraded us to a 4 and the other has downgraded us to a 10 (
skyIdub
Winged Warrior
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B1G
Locks: Purdue, Wisconsin
Should be in: Illinois, Michigan State, Ohio State
Work to do: Iowa, Indiana, Michigan
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theathletic.com
B1G
Locks: Purdue, Wisconsin
Should be in: Illinois, Michigan State, Ohio State
Work to do: Iowa, Indiana, Michigan
$$$
Bubble Watch: Illinois and the problem with extremely weird circumstances
Eamonn Brennan locks in Houston, UCLA, Kentucky, Duke and Wisconsin to the 2022 NCAA Tournament.
theathletic.com
"he took 17 shots to get to 22 points, so maybe not the most efficient day". Um I'll take 10-17 everyday of the weekLatest from The Athletic $$$ubscription
B1G
Locks: Purdue, Wisconsin
Should be in: Illinois, Michigan State, Ohio State
Work to do: Iowa, Indiana, Michigan
$$$
Bubble Watch: Illinois and the problem with extremely weird circumstances
Eamonn Brennan locks in Houston, UCLA, Kentucky, Duke and Wisconsin to the 2022 NCAA Tournament.
Every man wants to be him and every woman wants to be with him.My goodness, he's astute. Also has discerning, subtle taste and is exceedingly handsome.
For the Beloved, anything less than at least a Sweet Sixteen placing would be a disappointing season. Of course, we have higher aspirations than that.
Especially after last year’s finishing thud. For the Illini, it was a bad flame-out. But for 'Your Chicago Bulls!', it was a great finish because it opened up the only path that they could grab Ayo. And he has been nothing short of brilliant this season.
The Illini can’t afford two disappointing finishes in a row. That would set the program back.
There is so much parity in college ball these days that the pre-tourney polls don’t mean too much. It’s all about Madness Time.
Especially after last year’s finishing thud. For the Illini, it was a bad flame-out. But for 'Your Chicago Bulls!', it was a great finish because it opened up the only path that they could grab Ayo. And he has been nothing short of brilliant this season.
The Illini can’t afford two disappointing finishes in a row. That would set the program back.
There is so much parity in college ball these days that the pre-tourney polls don’t mean too much. It’s all about Madness Time.
sacraig
- The desert
I see Eamonn Brennan is still a turd. A lot of people swear by The Athletic, and they have some great writers, but how did Brennan slip through?Latest from The Athletic $$$ubscription
B1G
Locks: Purdue, Wisconsin
Should be in: Illinois, Michigan State, Ohio State
Work to do: Iowa, Indiana, Michigan
$$$
Bubble Watch: Illinois and the problem with extremely weird circumstances
Eamonn Brennan locks in Houston, UCLA, Kentucky, Duke and Wisconsin to the 2022 NCAA Tournament.
Not defending Brennan, but I think by “lock” he means “could lose the rest of their games, or close to it, and still make the dance.”
I guess you could say no one is a lock right now by that definition, as even Wisconsin with their strong resume probably wouldn’t get in at 8-12 in conference. Realistically I think we need to win maybe 3 more regular season games to truly be a lock, but that’s why we are in the should be in. If the season ended today we are absolutely a lock.
skyIdub
Winged Warrior
I fall short of "swearing" by it....but to me it's the best written coverage of all the teams that I follow.
Homecoming 2019
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It's updated daily, but it is at the mercy of other bracketologists since many update weekly.Interestingly, Torvik has us, Wisconsin and MSU all as 5 seeds. That would be interesting.
Bracket Matrix doesn't appear to have been updated in a while. 2 sites have us as a 7 but if you click on those sites, one has upgraded us to a 4 and the other has downgraded us to a 10 (
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