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No idea what the cost is, but I had the chance to experience that a few weeks ago. That’s flying first class.
St Louis Cardinals 2023
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They ain't gonna fire Oli. But here's an interesting list of potential candidates.
The big list of managerial candidates
I cut out the bio for everyone. It's at KC Nation website.
Sandy Alomar, Jr., Guardians first base coach
Brad Ausmus, Athletics bench coach, former Tigers, Angels manager
Brian Bannister, Giants director of pitching
Carlos Beltrán, TV analyst
Ryan Christenson, Padres bench coach
Stubby Clapp, Cardinals first base coach
Joey Cora, Mets third base coach
Kai Correa, Giants bench coach
Joe Espada, Astros bench coach
Sal Fasano, Braves catching coach
Carlos Febles, Red Sox third base coach
John Gibbons, Braves scout, former Blue Jays manager
Joe Girardi, former Marlins, Yankees, Phillies manager
Andy Green, Cubs bench coach, former Padres manager
Demarlo Hale, Guardians bench coach
Willie Harris, Cubs third base coach
Tommy Hottovy, Cubs pitching coach
Raúl Ibañez, MLB executive
Rodney Linares, Rays third base coach
George Lombard, Dodgers first base coach
Joe Maddon, former Rays, Cubs, Angels manager
Tony Mansolino, Orioles third base coach
Clayton McCullough, Dodgers first base coach
Joe McEwing, White Sox third base coach
Hensley Meulens, Yankees hitting coach
Carlos Mendoza, Yankees bench coach
Charlie Montoyo, former Blue Jays manager
Kris Negrón, Mariners first base coach
Luis Rojas, Yankees third base coach, former Mets manager
Mike Shildt, Padres third base coach, former Cardinals manager
Jayce Tingler, Twins bench coach, former Padres manager
Will Venable, Red Sox bench coach
Ron Washington, Braves third base coach, former Rangers manager
Dusty Wathan, Phillies third base coach
Walt Weiss, Braves bench coach, former Rockies manager
Chris Woodward, former Rangers manager
The big list of managerial candidates
I cut out the bio for everyone. It's at KC Nation website.
Sandy Alomar, Jr., Guardians first base coach
Brad Ausmus, Athletics bench coach, former Tigers, Angels manager
Brian Bannister, Giants director of pitching
Carlos Beltrán, TV analyst
Ryan Christenson, Padres bench coach
Stubby Clapp, Cardinals first base coach
Joey Cora, Mets third base coach
Kai Correa, Giants bench coach
Joe Espada, Astros bench coach
Sal Fasano, Braves catching coach
Carlos Febles, Red Sox third base coach
John Gibbons, Braves scout, former Blue Jays manager
Joe Girardi, former Marlins, Yankees, Phillies manager
Andy Green, Cubs bench coach, former Padres manager
Demarlo Hale, Guardians bench coach
Willie Harris, Cubs third base coach
Tommy Hottovy, Cubs pitching coach
Raúl Ibañez, MLB executive
Rodney Linares, Rays third base coach
George Lombard, Dodgers first base coach
Joe Maddon, former Rays, Cubs, Angels manager
Tony Mansolino, Orioles third base coach
Clayton McCullough, Dodgers first base coach
Joe McEwing, White Sox third base coach
Hensley Meulens, Yankees hitting coach
Carlos Mendoza, Yankees bench coach
Charlie Montoyo, former Blue Jays manager
Kris Negrón, Mariners first base coach
Luis Rojas, Yankees third base coach, former Mets manager
Mike Shildt, Padres third base coach, former Cardinals manager
Jayce Tingler, Twins bench coach, former Padres manager
Will Venable, Red Sox bench coach
Ron Washington, Braves third base coach, former Rangers manager
Dusty Wathan, Phillies third base coach
Walt Weiss, Braves bench coach, former Rockies manager
Chris Woodward, former Rangers manager
Their .413 winning percentage (assuming they lose tonight) would be their worst winning percentage since 1919 if carried out for the whole season.
Ryllini
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Thanks, I hate it!
I'm much younger than you but I remember some of those early 90s Cardinals teams being really frustrating to watch.
And while I get people wanting to blame Oli and the coaches (and it is warranted), none of them can swing a bat or throw a pitch.
Has the coaching staff adjusted any of the batter's swings or the pitchers approach? If so it may be on them at least in part.
Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
It seems appropriate to drop this in here just about now.
pruman91
- interviewing new NL's daily....I really really am
Cardinals trounced 14-0 by Astros in series finale as Adam Wainwright gives up six runs
The Cardinals lost the series finale against the Houston Astros on Thursday night at Busch Stadium.
Despite dreadful outing, Cardinals' Adam Wainwright receives vote of confidence from his manager
Cardinals veteran Adam Wainwright asked his skipper not to give up on him, and Oliver Marmol expressed faith in the pitcher.
Cardinals lefty Zack Thompson allows two runs in 4 2/3 innings: Minor League Report
Despite command issues, Zack Thompson limited hitters to two runs on four hits in 4 2/3 innings during his start for Class AAA Memphis.
Recent past history will tell us that many of these names will not be considered. I hope they are considered. Three in house hires with no major league managerial experience has resulted in what the Redbirds are today. My view is very simple, and I have expressed it before. If Marmol is fired during the season, name an interim and hire the best qualified person in the offseason.
I agree with most of this take especially the last line if would happen. I don't agree with the take in bold at all. Cards have been a consistent winner, even 93-69 last season under Marmol in his first season. Cardinals have not been this bad in a season for many years. Same thing has been going on for years....build around Goldy and Arenado. Management has messed that up with our pitching staff and overload of utility players.
I would say this. Two years ago the Cardinals were essentially dead in the water until a historic 17 game winning streak turned the season around. The fact is despite making the playoffs, the Cardinals have been an early exit the last two years. Are we at the point where making the playoffs is the ultimate goal? Pitching has been an issue, and management and ownership have not addressed this issue adequately in my view. If the Cardinals go on another 17 game winning streak they will be right back in the mix. I am tired of seeing field managers, who need training wheels.
I agree with management has not issued certain areas adequately at all. Keep hearing that management doesn't want a rebuild but a re-tool. I will believe that when I see it.
Traded off some pitching prospects years ago that would be under team control for years now and be the #1 and #2 starter on this team. They have to address starting pitching likely through trade and free agency.
Gorman just turned 23, while Jordan Walker and Masyn Winn are 21. I have no problem with some growing pains whether it be in the field or at the plate with these guys. We will need much better pitching if throwing these guys to the field next season. Problem I have is the surplus of utility players and so called 5 MLB ready OFs that were mentioned before the season started. Injuries have been huge this season, same time we are getting the same results when healthy.
I am not recommending one specific move but think we need to look at expiring contracts and moving them for something if they don't plan on bringing them back. Management drilled it on Goldy and Arenado trades but have been lackluster with a number of other trades and free agent signings.
Traded off some pitching prospects years ago that would be under team control for years now and be the #1 and #2 starter on this team. They have to address starting pitching likely through trade and free agency.
Gorman just turned 23, while Jordan Walker and Masyn Winn are 21. I have no problem with some growing pains whether it be in the field or at the plate with these guys. We will need much better pitching if throwing these guys to the field next season. Problem I have is the surplus of utility players and so called 5 MLB ready OFs that were mentioned before the season started. Injuries have been huge this season, same time we are getting the same results when healthy.
I am not recommending one specific move but think we need to look at expiring contracts and moving them for something if they don't plan on bringing them back. Management drilled it on Goldy and Arenado trades but have been lackluster with a number of other trades and free agent signings.
I agree that many of the names on the list that KC put together late last season won't be considered. I wouldn't want at least 5 or 6 of them either. I threw it together in a hurry and didn't say who I thought would be the best candidates.
pruman91
- interviewing new NL's daily....I really really am
THATS A WINNER..........Cardinals win first game of doubleheader 11-4..........Flaherty looked good , 6 innings and he is saying now in post game that he started attacking from first pitch instead of going to the mound trying to get a feel for the game....Knizner was also saying jack was the old Jack............we need the old Jack for the rest of the season........
Reds lost today to the Padres so we need to win this second game and shave 1 1/2 games off the standings..................
Cardinals sending out Liberatore and the Yankees are doing that bullpen thingy......................
Reds lost today to the Padres so we need to win this second game and shave 1 1/2 games off the standings..................
Cardinals sending out Liberatore and the Yankees are doing that bullpen thingy......................
I can't say what is true and what is not. If WIllson didn't know what pitches to call that is a head scratcher. I would say some of it is his fault. Some of it is the pitcher's fault. I would think it is up to the pitcher and him to communicate. They should talk about how the pitcher likes to approach the game. How the pitcher wants to approach a particular batter. Some of the blame belongs to Oli and the pitching coach Dusty Blake. They HAVE to know exactly what Contreras knows and doesn't know. The team shouldn't have left Jupiter without knowing.
Brand new info on Willson Contreras demotion vindicates Oli Marmol
It's a process. Thanks for asking.
She went through I call Big Chemo. surgery and radiation. She is "technically" cancer free but still has to finish the process.
She still has a smaller chemo ( only one type of chemo instead of 3 or 4.) This chemo targets enzymes or hormones that the cancer fed off of.
She is still tired. Has neuropathy because of her treatment. We can see the end in sight. December can't get here fast enough for us. Then it's all pills instead of making a trip to the clinic every 3 weeks.
thanks.
Rocket City Illini
- Belleville, IL
Call me crazy but I think we could get quite a bit of young controllable pitching talent by trading dudes in their walk years. Flaherty & Montgomery, while arguably 2 of the best pitchers, are not likely to re-sign and could fetch some talent in return. Should be many buyers at the deadline so that whole supply & demand thing could work in our favor. Hicks and even BroNeil could return us some controllable talent.
I hate to say it, but the worst thing for the long term could be if we started making a legit run. Keep stinking it up, and change is staring us in the face.
Maybe Mo could find a way to even pull in RayJ /s
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