I did not even for a second think of that, but that really is incredible. I guess the West is the basketball division, and the East is the football division lol
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I just want to know. If Illinois and Northwestern are both tied at the end of the regular season. Who would get the 2 seed in the big ten tournament?
Northwestern for better record against Purdue
Illini2010-11
- Sugar Grove
If Illini and NW tie for second, then NW would be the 2 seed. The first tiebreaker is head-to-head, followed by performance against top team in conference (Purdue). Since NW beat Purdue in Evanston, they would ultimately hold tiebreaker over Illini. With that said, I expect the Illini to clinch 2 seed in a few hours with NW losing @MSU tonight.
EDIT: Seems I was beat by a few seconds
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Good data. I understand looking at what you did in the season as a predictor of what you are capable of doing and ultimately you are measured by winning
With that said we played all our loses close. Come a single elimination tournament if we are able to get those long rebounds stay out of foul trouble hit the open threes and play as a unit. Then the other team will have to outplay us like PU did making 8 threes in the second half
I think we can beat any team in the nation and if we end up as a 4 seed I don’t think the 1 seed wants that match up
Big BYU fans tonight.
danielb927
Orange Krush Class of 2013
- Rochester, MN
I'm not. Iowa State is solidly ahead of us seeding-wise; BYU could catch us. Would rather have Iowa State grab the home win and keep the status quo there.
According to the Bracketmatrix, the Illini are the second #4 seed, so the close PU game didn't hurt at all. I think if Illinois loses to IA, I still feel they'll be a 4th seed. Big win at Wisky did the job, imo.
Illini2010-11
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This is the correct take, if you care about potential seeding impacts for Illinois. Iowa State will be a 3 seed at worst. BYU can definitely catch and jump Illinois. With that said, win on Sunday and Illinois should all but lock up a 4 seed.
What good does a 4 seed do though if it's in Salt Lake City playing a road game vs. No. 5 BYU?
Don’t listen to Joe. He barely gets seeds correct let alone locations.
Illini2010-11
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Lunardi is rarely correct. I doubt that the committee would actually position the bracket that way. However, even if that ended up being the bracket, playing a 13 seed is still optimal compared to the upset special 12 seed matchup in first round.
Hope you guys are right. I trust the Illinois Loyalty family above almost all.
But BYU is looking good on road tonight at Iowa State
But BYU is looking good on road tonight at Iowa State
Check again
You can thank me for betting BYU live
Tough one. I didn't touch it. I do hope this maybe pushes BYU away from Illinois seed wise and towards a 6 seed. I also don't want to risk them being a 5 in salt lake City knowing our luck
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lstewart53x3
- Scottsdale, Arizona
Would love another crack at Michigan St or Penn St.
I think it would be big to win Saturday and then at least make it to the conference championship game. Might not be possible but it might give us a shot to get on that 3 line. Ideally matched up with Iowa State as the 2 but I think there is a pretty big talent gap between the 5 and 6 seeds.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
If we beat Iowa and make it to Saturday, I think we’d have a real shot at a #3 seed. That’s likely 3 more Q1 wins (and a minimum of 2 more even if the Committee allegedly puts less stock in the Saturday results). Need our fellow #3/4 seed contenders to lose early in their conference tournaments ala our 2006 and 2022 teams so they play themselves out of the running for a #3.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
So, for anyone looking to attend the BTT and try to paint that place orange, the Illini schedule will be like this:
Friday at 5:30 pm vs. winner of #7/10 game
Saturday at ~ 2:30 pm vs. #3/6/11/14
Would have been nice to win a league title, of course, but this actually works out great for fan viewing and attendance!
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Who are the likely candidates for 3/6/11
danielb927
Orange Krush Class of 2013
- Rochester, MN
Doing some Team Sheet digging this morning to try to see who we might be able to pass in the Bracket Matrix to get to a 3 seed. This is, of course, assuming that we stay ahead of everyone behind us - not a given by any means.
TL;DR - Our best shot at a 3 seed is to pass Alabama and Duke to land at 12th in the S-curve. Creighton or Kansas are less likely targets, but feasible. In any case, to do that we'd probably need to win 3 in a row.
For reference, our current "metrics" (in broad terms):
- 10 Q1+2 wins (1 Q1a, 5 Q1)
- 0 Q3+4 losses
If we can beat Iowa, that's another Q1(b) win. Then the BTT will likely start with a Q2 game (longshot Q1 if MSU/Wisc), and then the semis would most likely be Q1, maybe Q1a. So best case, by Saturday night we've got 13 Q1+2 wins with 2 Q1as and 7 Q1s.
The teams
Alabama - Passable. 11 Q1+2 (2 Q1a, 4 Q1). Won't have anther Q1 opportunity until their tourney. Meanwhile, root for them to pick up an (unlikely) Q3 loss vs. Arkansas this weekend.
Creighton - hard to see us passing them. They have 14 Q1+2 wins (including 3 Q1a and 7 Q1), no Q3+4 losses. They're us, if you move 4 of our Q3 wins into Q1-2. We'd need them to lose @ Villanova (Q1) and maybe pick up an upset loss to Georgetown or DePaul in their tourney, but that's unlikely (those teams would have to make it out of the first round first, and they're baaaaad).
Duke - I think we could pass them. Actually surprised they're ahead of Creighton on the matrix. 11 Q1+2 wins (2 Q1a, 5 Q1), 3 Q2 losses, 0 Q3+4 losses. Would be great if they lose to UNC and then to, say, a motivated, bubble-y Wake in the ACC tourney.
Kansas - hard to say. 12 Q1+2 wins with a gaudy 5 Q1as and 7 Q1s. They have a Q3 loss that will ding them. My gut says we probably can't pass them, but we can still hope they get stomped @ Houston, drop to the 6 seed in their tourney, and then lose a Q2 game to K State in their opener to stay cold.
Iowa St. - tough, esp. after last night's win. Basically the same resume as Kansas without the Q3 loss, but with slightly worse quality of Q1 wins.
Baylor - tough to pass. 13 Q1+2 (5 Q1a, 8 Q1), no bad losses. Q1 game upcoming @ Texas Tech - have to lose that. Think they've clinched a double-bye in the Big 12 tourney, where they'd most likely see Tech again, TCU, or Kansas (all Q1 games). Even if they go 0-2 I'm not sure we can edge them out. Probably worth rooting for them against Kansas, if the two face off.
Marquette - tough. 12 Q1+2 (5 Q1a, 8 Q1), no bad losses (plus a H2H win over us at our place). BracketMatrix has them as a 2, but I don't see a ton of daylight between them and Baylor/Kansas. The Kolek injury situation could come into play. Q1 game at Xavier to end the season, would have to hope they lose that and then maybe a Q2 game to open the Big East tourney.
UNC - tough. 12 Q1+2 (3 Q1a, 6 Q1). Again, not sure why the matrix sees them ahead of the last 3 given fewer Q1/Q1a wins. We're much more likely to pass Duke, so I'll be rooting (unfortunately) for UNC to beat them.
Everyone else is pretty much locked in to a 1-2 seed.
TL;DR - Our best shot at a 3 seed is to pass Alabama and Duke to land at 12th in the S-curve. Creighton or Kansas are less likely targets, but feasible. In any case, to do that we'd probably need to win 3 in a row.
For reference, our current "metrics" (in broad terms):
- 10 Q1+2 wins (1 Q1a, 5 Q1)
- 0 Q3+4 losses
If we can beat Iowa, that's another Q1(b) win. Then the BTT will likely start with a Q2 game (longshot Q1 if MSU/Wisc), and then the semis would most likely be Q1, maybe Q1a. So best case, by Saturday night we've got 13 Q1+2 wins with 2 Q1as and 7 Q1s.
The teams
Alabama - Passable. 11 Q1+2 (2 Q1a, 4 Q1). Won't have anther Q1 opportunity until their tourney. Meanwhile, root for them to pick up an (unlikely) Q3 loss vs. Arkansas this weekend.
Creighton - hard to see us passing them. They have 14 Q1+2 wins (including 3 Q1a and 7 Q1), no Q3+4 losses. They're us, if you move 4 of our Q3 wins into Q1-2. We'd need them to lose @ Villanova (Q1) and maybe pick up an upset loss to Georgetown or DePaul in their tourney, but that's unlikely (those teams would have to make it out of the first round first, and they're baaaaad).
Duke - I think we could pass them. Actually surprised they're ahead of Creighton on the matrix. 11 Q1+2 wins (2 Q1a, 5 Q1), 3 Q2 losses, 0 Q3+4 losses. Would be great if they lose to UNC and then to, say, a motivated, bubble-y Wake in the ACC tourney.
Kansas - hard to say. 12 Q1+2 wins with a gaudy 5 Q1as and 7 Q1s. They have a Q3 loss that will ding them. My gut says we probably can't pass them, but we can still hope they get stomped @ Houston, drop to the 6 seed in their tourney, and then lose a Q2 game to K State in their opener to stay cold.
Iowa St. - tough, esp. after last night's win. Basically the same resume as Kansas without the Q3 loss, but with slightly worse quality of Q1 wins.
Baylor - tough to pass. 13 Q1+2 (5 Q1a, 8 Q1), no bad losses. Q1 game upcoming @ Texas Tech - have to lose that. Think they've clinched a double-bye in the Big 12 tourney, where they'd most likely see Tech again, TCU, or Kansas (all Q1 games). Even if they go 0-2 I'm not sure we can edge them out. Probably worth rooting for them against Kansas, if the two face off.
Marquette - tough. 12 Q1+2 (5 Q1a, 8 Q1), no bad losses (plus a H2H win over us at our place). BracketMatrix has them as a 2, but I don't see a ton of daylight between them and Baylor/Kansas. The Kolek injury situation could come into play. Q1 game at Xavier to end the season, would have to hope they lose that and then maybe a Q2 game to open the Big East tourney.
UNC - tough. 12 Q1+2 (3 Q1a, 6 Q1). Again, not sure why the matrix sees them ahead of the last 3 given fewer Q1/Q1a wins. We're much more likely to pass Duke, so I'll be rooting (unfortunately) for UNC to beat them.
Everyone else is pretty much locked in to a 1-2 seed.
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