Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Altuve27
I can hear it now: “Dix takes it hard to the hole and puts it in!!!!!”
 
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WyattEarp
21ChampaignSt said:
We'll see if money really is the one and only factor soon.

Purdue is never listed as a top 25 NIL school so there's almost no way they can hang on to their big 3 if nothing matters but money.
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I’d like to see someone put together some smart-stats on the churn/turnover rates all over college basketball…

We presently are struggling with retention…BUT obviously it’s bad all over. It would be nice to see what we could glean from the #s all across college hoops. A little knowledge might illuminate things a bit…and settle a couple of arguments?? (Nah, who am I kidding?)


Anyways, you (also Fighter of the Nightman) seem like the right folks for the job. Do you accept the challenge?

I would do it myself but I’m: a lazy Humanities guy and a lousy beancounter.
(like really bad at math.)
 
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IlliniFan42
Unless I missed something-

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Altuve27
This is not exactly an earth shattering proclamation, but we need to do everything possible to keep Tomislav in the fold.

Big men who can shoot from deep and pass well are difficult to find. He builds up his upper body strength and he becomes a real problem, even more so than he already is.

JMHO of course, but the guys who have left can be replaced. Tomi’s skill set in a big man can’t be.
 
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Second place is 1st loser
AttentionDeficit said:
I agree with you Rockford, but I think that this is something that we need to take into account when we are recruiting. (The rest of this not directed at you Rockford, just using your line as a jumping off point.)

If we are recruiting a big who we want to retain, maybe it matters if he wants to shoot a lot of 3's. If we are recruiting a junior we want to retain, maybe it matters that he wants to be a star his senior year.

If we recruit players who are not realistic about their skill sets, whose fault is it when they leave? I do not think it is just theirs. If we have to lie to get them to stay, I agree we should let them go. But how did we end up with the bad match in the first place?
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What you're saying is that the recruit/transfer needs to be self aware of their own limitations and expectations and the staff needs to be clear on what those expectations are.

Seems like the players expectations and the coaches expectations aren't always lining up.

This shouldn't have been news to Brad that Morez wanted to extend his game and it shouldn't have been news to Morez that, for his freshman year, he had a role to play.

Honestly, the only guy who really embraces the role that he probably didn't want(at first) was Will. He followed Brad's plan, he eased himself in and low and behold.....he developed after putting the time in and he ended up being the go-to guy.

I think that Morez(or his parents) wanted more of an immediate gratification.

I think that going forward, the staff needs to look FAR MORE into how a player fits and have that very open dialogue. If Sarr wants 20 shots a game, Brad needs to manage that with the rest of his roster. You can't recruit 5 guys who all want to get 20 shots and average 20 PPG.

The parents need to be part of these conversations as well. KJ, Will, TI, MJ and TW...... individually are great players. There just wasn't enough ball to go around and that's not even taking the rest of the roster into consideration.

The team was a bit selfish and we're seeing that unfold this off-season.
 
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BoiseBaller
Second place is 1st loser said:
What you're saying is that the recruit/transfer needs to be self aware of their own limitations and expectations and the staff needs to be clear on what those expectations are.

Seems like the players expectations and the coaches expectations aren't always lining up.

This shouldn't have been news to Brad that Morez wanted to extend his game and it shouldn't have been news to Morez that, for his freshman year, he had a role to play.

Honestly, the only guy who really embraces the role that he probably didn't want(at first) was Will. He followed Brad's plan, he eased himself in and low and behold.....he developed after putting the time in and he ended up being the go-to guy.

I think that Morez(or his parents) wanted more of an immediate gratification.

I think that going forward, the staff needs to look FAR MORE into how a player fits and have that very open dialogue. If Sarr wants 20 shots a game, Brad needs to manage that with the rest of his roster. You can't recruit 5 guys who all want to get 20 shots and average 20 PPG.

The parents need to be part of these conversations as well. KJ, Will, TI, MJ and TW...... individually are great players. There just wasn't enough ball to go around and that's not even taking the rest of the roster into consideration.

The team was a bit selfish and we're seeing that unfold this off-season.
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The quote I heard going around re: Morez and his dad was "my son doesn't come off the bench". So that does indeed sound like starting HumBrickHouse over him was an issue from the jump.
 
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sacraig
jsmoke2215 said:
While I certainly understand that college basketball is less enjoyable with players leaving like this regularly, I really don't understand why everyone is so upset from a basketball perspective as to what has transpired so far. There are dozens of players that are going to be in the portal that are significantly better and better fits for this offensive system than Morez or White.
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None of whom have experience in our system or with other players on our team, meaning we have to start building an actual team from scratch.
 
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OrangeKrush1981
Week two of year nine starts tomorrow at sunrise.

Let's get a coach (I mean the first of two Assistants, apologists). Let's get a vet (I mean a rising junior, apoligists). Let's get a winner (I don't care what age group, this kid might be, just one that will come back for year 2). Sleep is for the comfortable (on the comfortably-compensated staff).
 
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Second place is 1st loser
BoiseBaller said:
The quote I heard going around re: Morez and his dad was "my son doesn't come off the bench". So that does indeed sound like starting HumBrickHouse over him was an issue from the jump.
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1) C'mon, no need to keep beating the kid up. The kid was WAY out of position and it looked like it. We all get it. He still lut the time in, he still busted his butt and he's still one of "us". He wants to win as much as anyone. No need to continue to throw one of our own under the bus..

2)That's the question. What were the expectations and were they communicated. Morez did end up a starter in late January/February until he got hurt. He was a freshman starter on an NCAA team. If he needed to start from day 1 to be happy....that should have been relayed.

3)This was a VERY young team and I'm sure Brad's affinity for playing "old" guys was part of the process, as is the fact that Brad is extremely loyal. You heard the speech at the end of the year.

We only look at things through the lens of Morez, which is fine. However, Brad can't do that. It's not easy to bench a guy. As a coach, you're basically telling him that you've lost faith. Ben ended up taking it as well as possible and thrived in his new role.

Tre didn't accept his. That guy was a glass chandelier of emotions. When he started, he was a net positive. When he came off the bench, it's like he wasn't there.

It was a tough mix of guys, we ALL knew that it was going to take time to gel and the infirmary, that we came to know as our practice facility, didn't help. That was more than a month of injury and illness chaos. Nobody could control that. Again, only Will thrived and I believe it's a by product of him having the best attitude on the roster.
 
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OrangeBlue98
PepeSilvia said:
What do you mean? Anyone who has played pickup basketball has tons of experience in our system.

It's designed around standing on the perimeter and chucking up 3s or going 1 on 1. Then defense is optional.
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WyattEarp
PepeSilvia said:
What do you mean? Anyone who has played pickup basketball has tons of experience in our system.

It's designed around standing on the perimeter and chucking up 3s or going 1 on 1. Then defense is optional.
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So a pickup allotment of hoopsters chosen in a few weeks on the fly is preferable to having a modicum of continuity? You’re just gonna hope for chemistry as you go?

You’re saying it’s 100% better to get a team on the fly with no no real chemistry/connection to each other…and just hope for the best every year?…without really knowing how the pieces fit until mid-season?

Sure, you might get lucky…and it might work out…I dunno? 1 out 4 times or whatever but that’s not sustainable. More often than not it’s gonna bite you in the arse.

Or are you just being facetious/sarcastic?
Edit: Sorry about that…you had me going there for a minute, Pepe…
 
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Second place is 1st loser
PepeSilvia said:
What do you mean? Anyone who has played pickup basketball has tons of experience in our system.

It's designed around standing on the perimeter and chucking up 3s or going 1 on 1. Then defense is optional.
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Stop. That's simply not true. When we ran the offense, we ran it well. We cut well, the ball was shared and we got a lot of layups and open looks. We had plenty of games where we shot 50%+ on 2 point FG attempts.

Now, we also had guys who wanted theirs. No sense is rehashing history, but we had a couple of guys who were going to get their shots up, open or not. One of those guys will be a lottery pick. He was the head of the snake.

So, the offense wasn't always the issue. Those running it, sometimes, got away from the team part of the equation.

That said, I'm not a fan of the one in, four out philosophy. It does lend itself to a little too much freedom..
 
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ImGonnaBeILL
Altuve27 said:
It is very apparent watching these Tournament games that we need a significant upgrade in athleticism and physicality.
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Amen.

No offense to anyone else that is/was on roster, Morez should have been #1 priority. And I love what Tomi brings. Too much assumption he sticks at Illinois and/or doesn't leave for NBA or elsewhere. Gimme Morez's motor and physicalness that'll offense on its' own over a couple offense only guys on a bad Iowa team.
 
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OrangeKrush1981
sacraig said:
I think our athleticism is fine. I think our physicality is lacking.
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Hm. Are you sure? I was thinking you'd say "an athleticism upgrade is needed."

I am not exactly disagreeing, although I always want the more athletic team on the floor (right, the one that can't shoot, is too short, and obviously has a broken-nosed coach).

I would love to (1) upgrade our athleticism, and (2) upgrade our physicality. Oh, and (2) find a maestro that can get the ball in the basket.

Feel free to dress me down, while explaining how I missed the bus on this one.
 
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