Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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PepeSilvia
NarrowJ said:
Regardless of anyone's opinion of whether Boswell is a PG or not, we are not going to play 3 guards under 6-2
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Depends how good they are. Baylor won the Championship in 21 with ease(nobody within 11 pts in the tourney) and they played 4 guards listed at 6'4 or under and I think those listed heights were generous.

6'2 Davion Mitchell, 6'3 Jared Butler, 6'3 Adam Flagler, and 6'4 Macio Teague. I believe Mitchell measured in at barely 6 ft at the combine, Flagler and Teague measured in around 6'1 and Butler at 6'2.

Then if you want to go further back the trip of Dee, Deron, and Luther certainly didn't have no head toppers. Really were a bunch of mites that chucked it from the cheap seats.
 
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Brosky
And don't forget, we've got Tomi for 2 more years, ditto for his brother, multiple years for Mirkovic and Davis, and maybe up to 3 years for Stoyakovic.
 
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NarrowJ
PepeSilvia said:
Depends how good they are. Baylor won the Championship in 21 with ease(nobody within 11 pts in the tourney) and they played 4 guards listed at 6'4 or under and I think those listed heights were generous.

6'2 Davion Mitchell, 6'3 Jared Butler, 6'3 Adam Flagler, and 6'4 Macio Teague. I believe Mitchell measured in at barely 6 ft at the combine, Flagler and Teague measured in around 6'1 and Butler at 6'2.

Then if you want to go further back the trip of Dee, Deron, and Luther certainly didn't have no head toppers. Really were a bunch of mites that chucked it from the cheap seats.
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It can be done, but certainly isn’t ideal (same thing as Duke running 3 freshman as a core)

Also 2005 is now > 20 years ago

Three guys 6-1, 6-1, 6-2 playing 30+ isn’t something I’d feel comfy with by any means
 
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PepeSilvia
NarrowJ said:
Can't edit my previous post now but Teague was measured at 6-3.5 and Butler was measured at 6-3.75

Teague 6'3.5"

Butler 6'3.75"
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I don't see Teague on the combine set but Butler measured in at 6'2.25 barefoot. Teague looked smaller than Butler imo if not the same height when they played.

A lot of the listed heights in basketball are heavily exaggerated.
 
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EmeraldCityIllini
PepeSilvia said:
Depends how good they are. Baylor won the Championship in 21 with ease(nobody within 11 pts in the tourney) and they played 4 guards listed at 6'4 or under and I think those listed heights were generous.

6'2 Davion Mitchell, 6'3 Jared Butler, 6'3 Adam Flagler, and 6'4 Macio Teague. I believe Mitchell measured in at barely 6 ft at the combine, Flagler and Teague measured in around 6'1 and Butler at 6'2.

Then if you want to go further back the trip of Dee, Deron, and Luther certainly didn't have no head toppers. Really were a bunch of mites that chucked it from the cheap seats.
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Baylor also played Mark Vital at the 4, and he was only 6’5” (which I also think was a generous ruling)

That team was just tenacious. In our game against them I remember every time we even put it on the floor to dribble they were hounding. All of them were dogs.
 
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NarrowJ
PepeSilvia said:
I don't see Teague on the combine set but Butler measured in at 6'2.25 barefoot. Teague looked smaller than Butler imo if not the same height when they played.

A lot of the listed heights in basketball are heavily exaggerated.
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They don’t play barefoot and listed sizes are always with shoes on

You went and included all of their barefoot measurements which was a little disingenuous, only one of them was “small” for a guard

Anyway the whole point was that a bunch of tiny guards doesn’t tend to be what you want when filling out a roster (and the Baylor example doesn't really hold up, again, because really only one of them would be considered "small" for a guard)
 
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PepeSilvia
NarrowJ said:
They don’t play barefoot and listed sizes are always with shoes on

You went and included all of their barefoot measurements which was a little disingenuous, only one of them was “small” for a guard

Anyway the whole point was that a bunch of tiny guards doesn’t tend to be what you want when filling out a roster (so even if we use your barefoot measurements, it still worked for basically one team ever in the modern era- not something to strive after imo)
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I included the barefoot measurements because college height listings tend to be inflated and how much they are inflated varies wildly from team to team.

I agree that positional size can definitely help on both ends and covers up a lot of flaws as we saw with the elite 8 team 2 years ago that had a ton of size on the perimeter.

However last years team also had a ton of height and it didn't really help a ton. Look at recent Houston teams that don't play a guy over 6'7/6'8 and usually play 3 small guards together. They should have won the title this year and did beat a very big Duke team because Samson has constantly recruited dogs that are tough and physical on both ends. Florida also played a 3 guard lineup though Richard was listed at 6'5(measured 6'3.25)
 
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NarrowJ
PepeSilvia said:
I included the barefoot measurements because college height listings tend to be inflated and how much they are inflated varies wildly from team to team.

I agree that positional size can definitely help on both ends and covers up a lot of flaws as we saw with the elite 8 team 2 years ago that had a ton of size on the perimeter.

However last years team also had a ton of height and it didn't really help a ton. Look at recent Houston teams that don't play a guy over 6'7/6'8 and usually play 3 small guards together. They should have won the title this year and did beat a very big Duke team because Samson has constantly recruited dogs that are tough and physical on both ends. Florida also played a 3 guard lineup though Richard was listed at 6'5(measured 6'3.25)
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Sure- if you think Baylor is the only team ever to list non-barefoot heights then we can’t really have a serious convo about this (no team ever, that I know of, lists barefoot heights)

3 guards is great, they just can’t all be 6-1
 
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PepeSilvia
NarrowJ said:
Sure- if you think Baylor is the only team ever to list non-barefoot heights then we can’t really have a serious convo about this (no team ever, that I know of, lists barefoot heights)

3 guards is great, they just can’t all be 6-1
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Yeah but you're using barefoot heights for the Illini guys.

Petrovic is listed at 6'3 and Boswell is listed at 6'2. If we could get Pettiford who is listed at 6'1 I would absolutely take him and he would be the only guard listed at 6'1. That's wouldn't be too different than the listed sizes for 3 guard lineups Houston has been running out for years under Sampson.

Personally, Keyshawn Hall or Elijah Freeman would be the better fit if you were going to steal someone from the son of Satan. Imo, Hall would make Illinois a instant top 2-3 team in the country and a legitimate national title contender since he could play the 3 for bigger lineups and slide to the 4 for an insanely talented lineup with Petrovic, Boswell, Stojakovic, Hall, and Tomi.
 
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NarrowJ
PepeSilvia said:
Yeah but you're using barefoot heights for the Illini guys.

Petrovic is listed at 6'3 and Boswell is listed at 6'2. If we could get Pettiford who is listed at 6'1 I would absolutely take him and he would be the only guard listed at 6'1. That's wouldn't be too different than the listed sizes for 3 guard lineups Houston has been running out for years under Sampson.

Personally, Keyshawn Hall or Elijah Freeman would be the better fit if you were going to steal someone from the son of Satan. Imo, Hall would make Illinois a instant top 2-3 team in the country and a legitimate national title contender since he could play the 3 for bigger lineups and slide to the 4 for an insanely talented lineup with Petrovic, Boswell, Stojakovic, Hall, and Tomi.
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I am not using barefoot heights for them. Petro is certainly not 6-3 we can all agree and the other two guys are listed at 6-1 and 6-2. So, if you want to use barefoot heights for them as well then we have a “barefoot height” guard trio of 6-1, 6-1 and 6-0 which sounds even more ludicrous to me.
 
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