2016 White Sox

#251      
Bob Christiansen
champaignchris said:
31 earned runs in 11.2 IP over his last 4 starts between the Pads and Sox.

There is certainly something really wrong with him. He's either hurt or tipping his pitches. I'd guess the former, and there'll be a DL stint followed by an extended rehab assignment fairly soon.
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Chris...he can't locate his breaking stuff...almost like he doesn't have any clue where it's going. So he has to get a fastball over the plate, which is average at best. Batters take that pitch. Then he goes back to the breaking stuff, still can't get it over...so here comes the average fastball...and it's crushed.

DFA him. The quicker, the better...
 
#252      
ILL in IA
Impressions of Tim Anderson? I like what I see so far, but man the guy needs to learn how to take a walk.
 
#253      
Bailey
ILL in IA said:
Impressions of Tim Anderson? I like what I see so far, but man the guy needs to learn how to take a walk.
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That's always been the book on him, and I predict it will catch up to him as soon as some advanced scouting takes place. Obviously, he's got every other tool. At least we can point to the draft and plainly see that the organization is prioritizing OBP, so hopefully they're dedicated to working with him on his eye. He's way better defensively than I realized.
 
#254      
IntenselyOrange
I like what I see, but as Bailey said, we need to see how he responds to pitchers not throwing him strikes. It's a small sample size but fan graphs has him swinging at 40% of pitched out of the zone. Most good hitters are in the area of 25 to 30%.


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#256      
Bob Christiansen
Go figure on the boys coming back! After the Indians sweep, I thought for sure 4 at Fenway would be a death knell. What do I know! Great game!!!
 
#258      
ILL in IA
Bases loaded, no outs, in BOTH the 8th and 10th, and ZERO runs. You have to try to do that.
 
#259      
IntenselyOrange
ILL in IA said:
Bases loaded, no outs, in BOTH the 8th and 10th, and ZERO runs. You have to try to do that.
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Same three guys both times couldn't get it done. Of course, if Eaton were hitting leadoff as he should be instead of Anderson, our odds would have improved dramatically. Why a guy with limited experience and an OBP below 0.300 is hitting first is something I just cannot understand.
 
#260      
Illiniwek06
Interesting read.

This year’s White Sox are at two standard deviations worse than the league average. That’s not the worst mark in the table — they’re eclipsed by the 2008 Pirates, the 2011 Indians, and the 2013 Twins. But then, that’s also some lousy company, and it’s not like those teams are beating out the White Sox by much. Standard deviation is only one way of measuring this, and maybe you’d prefer something else, but no matter what you do, the takeaway remains the same: The strike zone hasn’t been friendly to White Sox pitchers, and pitchers want friendly strike zones.
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http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-white-soxs-hidden-catastrophe/
 
#262      
Bob Christiansen
While Sale wasn't his sharpest yesterday, he got in a groove in the middle innings, the boys gave him some runs, the pen didn't TOTALLY collapse...and win #14 in the books!
 
#263      
IntenselyOrange
Another win moved the team to 3 over 0.500! I'm not sure what to think about this team. Being just above 0.500 seems to be what I would have expected, but the manner in which they have gotten here is difficult to explain. They need to close out the first half strong against weak competition. Put the Yanks into full sell mode and beat up on the Twins of the NL. It's important that they go into the break at 5 over or better.
 
#264      
Deleted member 533939
I'm so glad the "DFA Shields" posters don't run the team. Can't rush to judgement in baseball, it's like the stock market.
 
#265      
Deleted member 16068
Shields has done what they got him to do the last 3 games.
We have to do something with Avi Garcia. I was a huge fan of the trade for him and his potential. However, he just does not get it. The pitchers throw him junk on the 1st pitch every time and he swings every time. I have seen pitches that almost hit him on the 1st pitch that he swings at. What is Steverson doing with him? OR is Garcia just not listening.
 
#267      
Bailey
2DEEP said:
Shields has done what they got him to do the last 3 games.
We have to do something with Avi Garcia. I was a huge fan of the trade for him and his potential. However, he just does not get it. The pitchers throw him junk on the 1st pitch every time and he swings every time. I have seen pitches that almost hit him on the 1st pitch that he swings at. What is Steverson doing with him? OR is Garcia just not listening.
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Really hoping his recent hot streak of singles (which is about the most you can ever expect from Avi) have given him some trade potential. Otherwise, he's destined for whatever pasture Dayan currently resides on, which would make that Peavy trade a total loss.
 
#268      
Bailey
Bob Christiansen said:
And obviously I was one of those DFA guys. I was wrong, but he still makes me nervous...;)
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Same. I was in favor of putting him on the 15 day DL to get his head right, because it was obvious that's where it was all going wrong. He was going full Peavy tantrum after every pitch. I was watching a Boston broadcast where they were floored by how poor his body language was.

Glad he's battling, because if we have any chance of making this work it's going to fall heavily on the resurgence of Shields & Frazier. Looking up on both accounts.
 
#269      
IntenselyOrange
Bailey said:
Same. I was in favor of putting him on the 15 day DL to get his head right, because it was obvious that's where it was all going wrong. He was going full Peavy tantrum after every pitch. I was watching a Boston broadcast where they were floored by how poor his body language was.

Glad he's battling, because if we have any chance of making this work it's going to fall heavily on the resurgence of Shields & Frazier. Looking up on both accounts.
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I agree with all of this. And I think that Frazier will have a strong second half. I'm less sure of Shields. I know he's had two consecutive decent starts, but I need to see more before I view him as anything more than a 5 inning #5 starter. His K/BB ratio is still concerning. Couple that with the fact that the two decent starts have come against the Yankees and Twins who are each in the bottom 4 in runs scored and OBP in the AL and in the bottom 3 (Yankees last) in OPS in the AL, and there is reason to remain worried.

He might be John Danks but from the right side of the mound. Or he might be Mat Latos. My point is that perhaps the DFA was premature, but I think it's foolish to think that he's going to be reliable from this point forward. I am significantly more optimistic with Gonzalez than I am with Shields.

The plan for the rest of the year needs to revolve around an improved offense. We can't improve our SP enough to win that way. We need Frazier and Abreu to be a force in the second half and we need to hope that pitchers don't figure Anderson out. If that breaks our way and Eaton and Melky continue their production, I think the Sox can stay in the WC hunt. If Morneau can provide an upgrade to Garcia, that will slightly increase our margin of error moving forward.

Luckily, there is a lot of mediocrity in the AL. The top of our rotation is sufficiently strong that the Sox can emerge in the AL WC chase if just a few things go our way.
 
#270      
Bailey
IntenselyOrange said:
I agree with all of this. And I think that Frazier will have a strong second half. I'm less sure of Shields. I know he's had two consecutive decent starts, but I need to see more before I view him as anything more than a 5 inning #5 starter. His K/BB ratio is still concerning. Couple that with the fact that the two decent starts have come against the Yankees and Twins who are each in the bottom 4 in runs scored and OBP in the AL and in the bottom 3 (Yankees last) in OPS in the AL, and there is reason to remain worried.
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Sorta reminds you of a certain someone...can't put my finger on it...

IntenselyOrange said:
Or he might be Mat Latos.
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THAT'S THE ONE!
 
#271      
Deleted member 533939
Bailey said:
Really hoping his recent hot streak of singles (which is about the most you can ever expect from Avi) have given him some trade potential. Otherwise, he's destined for whatever pasture Dayan currently resides on, which would make that Peavy trade a total loss.
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Obviously he's going to the bench (or minors) when Morneau is ready in the next week or so.
 
#272      
Bailey
Chief86 said:
Obviously he's going to the bench (or minors) when Morneau is ready in the next week or so.
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They don't have the outfield depth to cut him loose yet. Especially with Jackson out.

in related news, miss you Trayce.
 
#274      
IntenselyOrange
Three with the Braves heading into the break. A sweep would be great, but it's crucial to win 2/3 in this series. We do unfortunately draw Teheran in game 2 but counter with Quintana. Despite Quintana's improbable run of bad luck that has lasted years, I like even that matchup for us. And given that they have nothing outside of Freeman, Shields should be OK on Sunday.

Just as importantly, I think the trades will get moving quickly after the break. I think that the Hill trade was evidence that Milwaukee is ready to deal and other will have to follow if they want to get maximal value. It will be interesting to see what the Sox do. They should be buyers at this point, but not recklessly so. And if someone offers a great deal in which we'd give up a contributing player (Robertson for example), Hahn should be willing to make that move. I hope he's open minded enough to look at next year in addition to this year.
 
#275      
Bailey
IntenselyOrange said:
Just as importantly, I think the trades will get moving quickly after the break. I think that the Hill trade was evidence that Milwaukee is ready to deal and other will have to follow if they want to get maximal value. It will be interesting to see what the Sox do. They should be buyers at this point, but not recklessly so. And if someone offers a great deal in which we'd give up a contributing player (Robertson for example), Hahn should be willing to make that move. I hope he's open minded enough to look at next year in addition to this year.
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Given that they've now put Fulmer on the Sale/Rodon fast track, I don't think he's a chip they're willing to part with, which makes me skeptical we'll see a big splash of a deal. I believe one needs to happen, but knowing this front office, that means it probably wont, unfortunately.
 
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