2017 Basketball Transfer Thread

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haasi

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Henson71 said:
We were all just saying what a learning curve Tilmon would have, I can't imagine a UIC recruit coming to the Big Ten and having an impact as a true freshman, but I hope I'm wrong
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He would have an immense learning curve. probably would not do much as a freshman. But on court performance this year is secondary to long term success. The only real argument to take a fifth year for next years team is that success next year might be helpful for recruiting. Otherwise, stocking up for the future is the way to go
 
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I heard about this UIC guy yesterday while downtown. I saw some real Illini fans down there having life & death discussions about the team. While the wives shopped we held court! I am just hoping that we get a young big(for the future) and a graduate(for the present) wouldn't hurt my feelings either.
 
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ballislife17

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robjilla said:
I have no idea how he would get out. Ask & you shall receive? College basketball is a mess with these LOIs and decommits. I do know that Illinois needs at least 2 more bigs.
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Why do we need 2 more? BU plays 1 big at a time, so that would leave us with 3 bigs on the bench at a time. I would say we need one more and a fourth would be a luxury.
 
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USAFILLINI

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I can't find anything on Sims wanting to get out of his commitment. Anyone know where this rumor came from?-
 
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ballislife17 said:
Why do we need 2 more? BU plays 1 big at a time, so that would leave us with 3 bigs on the bench at a time. I would say we need one more and a fourth would be a luxury.
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So you are telling me Black will not be on the court if Finke or any other BIG we might add is on the court ???
 
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ballislife17

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BMo79 said:
So you are telling me Black will not be on the court if Finke or any other BIG we might add is on the court ???
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If Underwood truly wants to play uptempo and run his offense then he will not. If he gives in against the wisconsins of the big ten then it's possible


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Do not believe any Big at this point will start, but need back-up in case of fouls or injury. Offensively it would seem both Finke and Black would be good fits. Defense is the question and that might depend on the particular match-up for that team. Athletic freshman may be able to serve the emergency duty defensively and we have a lot of other offensive weapons.
 
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ballislife17 said:
Why do we need 2 more? BU plays 1 big at a time, so that would leave us with 3 bigs on the bench at a time. I would say we need one more and a fourth would be a luxury.
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I feel like a fourth is a must depending on who the third is. With an experienced transfer you might be able to get away with just one. Especially this late in the game after most of the dominoes have fallen. I hope that Black matures, stays out of foul trouble and is able to stay on the court.
 
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Greensboro

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Henson71 said:
Grad transfers come college ready from a physical standpoint and have already learned how to play defense without fouling etc.

True Freshman big men need time to learn the pace, physicality and how games are called. It's a significant learning curve that only the most talented make early on as a freshman.

We were all just saying what a learning curve Tilmon would have, I can't imagine a UIC recruit coming to the Big Ten and having an impact as a true freshman, but I hope I'm wrong
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The problem with the grad transfer is the cycle keeps repeating, if you think it takes a couple years to typically have a freshman ready (& I do), then in 2018/9 the 2017/8 grad transfer is gone & we are back in the same boat. To end this cycle we need to be developing a big or 2 for future years. Ideally we take both a freshman & a grad transfer big.

Plus with our current scholarship situation we have room for both & still likely have 1 open if a mid-year transfer pops up at the end of the fall semester. So I just don't see these as being mutually exclusive.
 
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jcgoldie said:
Twitter clown. Disregard.
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I mean think about it. This Sims dude is a big man who saw a lot of open minutes and opportunity to play next year. I am not saying he will decommit, I was just saying what I heard yesterday. But he might have saw plenty of minutes and that just closed up because Bamba is gonna start anywhere. The only school that seems to be able to recruit stud after stud, same year, at the same position seems to be Kentucky. I wouldn't be surprised if he stayed, but sometimes these kids leave.
 
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ballislife17 said:
Why do we need 2 more? BU plays 1 big at a time, so that would leave us with 3 bigs on the bench at a time. I would say we need one more and a fourth would be a luxury.
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If by big we mean someone who belongs at the 5, then getting "two more" would put our total at precisely two. Finke and Black both belong at the 4. HCBU may devise systems in which they wind up at the 5, but that is not a natural position for either one of them.
 
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robjilla said:
I mean think about it. This Sims dude is a big man who saw a lot of open minutes and opportunity to play next year. I am not saying he will decommit, I was just saying what I heard yesterday. But he might have saw plenty of minutes and that just closed up because Bamba is gonna start anywhere. The only school that seems to be able to recruit stud after stud, same year, at the same position seems to be Kentucky. I wouldn't be surprised if he stayed, but sometimes these kids leave.
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Well he signed a letter of intent and the coach didn't leave so it would seem leaving at least this year would not be entirely under his control. I was addressing the question as to where the rumor came from. As far as I know it originated with the child abuser on twitter.
 
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ballislife17

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whovous said:
If by big we mean someone who belongs at the 5, then getting "two more" would put our total at precisely two. Finke and Black both belong at the 4. HCBU may devise systems in which they wind up at the 5, but that is not a natural position for either one of them.
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Could not disagree more. Neither black or Finke belong at the 4 in BU's system. 1-4 all need full guard skills which neither of them have.


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robjilla

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jcgoldie said:
Well he signed a letter of intent and the coach didn't leave so it would seem leaving at least this year would not be entirely under his control. I was addressing the question as to where the rumor came from. As far as I know it originated with the child abuser on twitter.
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Goldie, you are probably right my man! We have all seen stranger things happen, but this whole board wants the same outcome, NCAA Tournament berth at least.
 
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BMo79

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ballislife17 said:
Could not disagree more. Neither black or Finke belong at the 4 in BU's system. 1-4 all need full guard skills which neither of them have.


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I have no idea how you can say this, none of us have seen BU's system ran at a school where he was able to recruit HIS guys. yeah he was at SFA for 3 years, but who he could get to come there vs who he can get to come here, should be way different. If BU was as sure as you are I do not think he and all the staff would be saying how much they need more size
 
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ballislife17

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BMo79 said:
I have no idea how you can say this, none of us have seen BU's system ran at a school where he was able to recruit HIS guys. yeah he was at SFA for 3 years, but who he could get to come there vs who he can get to come here, should be way different. If BU was as sure as you are I do not think he and all the staff would be saying how much they need more size
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They do need a true big though, so it makes sense. In the 4 guard system you need well rounded big men, which we don't have. Ours are very good at specific things.


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ballislife17 said:
They do need a true big though, so it makes sense. In the 4 guard system you need well rounded big men, which we don't have. Ours are very good at specific things.


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We might play 4 guards this year cause we have to, but there is no way we are going to play 4 guards once the staff has had time to get guys they are after. The way you are talking they are after EJ to play the BIG, cause he is no guard. I am sorry but we will just have to disagree on this one till about 2019-2020 once they have been here a couple years
 
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ballislife17

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BMo79 said:
We might play 4 guards this year cause we have to, but there is no way we are going to play 4 guards once the staff has had time to get guys they are after. The way you are talking they are after EJ to play the BIG, cause he is no guard. I am sorry but we will just have to disagree on this one till about 2019-2020 once they have been here a couple years
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It may not be true guards though, it could be two PGs and two wings, that's for BU to decide. I do not expect two true big men to be playing at the same time though. That's going away in the NBA, and college is next.

For the record though, EJ is incredibly well rounded and could play on the perimeter in my opinion. He's got a good shot, can pass and can drive. Would be the ideal player we look for going forward to play the 4.


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FiveStar

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BMo79 said:
We might play 4 guards this year cause we have to, but there is no way we are going to play 4 guards once the staff has had time to get guys they are after. The way you are talking they are after EJ to play the BIG, cause he is no guard. I am sorry but we will just have to disagree on this one till about 2019-2020 once they have been here a couple years
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Maybe not 4 guards per se, but 4 guys at varying heights and weights that can play like guards. Anybody on the perimeter needs to be able to read passing options, have basic ball handling skills, be able run and read a pick and roll, cut and score, drive and score, or shoot. Doesn't matter if the guys doing it are 6'4 or 7'4, the outer 4 of the spread must be able to do those things.
 
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ballislife17

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FiveStar said:
Maybe not 4 guards per se, but 4 guys at varying heights and weights that can play like guards. Anybody on the perimeter needs to be able to read passing options, have basic ball handling skills, be able run and read a pick and roll, cut and score, drive and score, or shoot. Doesn't matter if the guys doing it are 6'4 or 7'4, the outer 4 of the spread must be able to do those things.
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