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Haha!! That's just a bunch of smoke n' mirrrors.
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Haha!! That's just a bunch of smoke n' mirrrors.
This actually makes sense with regards to Cuanzo. You put him in familiar territory with alot of connections and he may be a grand slam hire. I would be very interested to see how an African American coach would do up in Chicago. If he is in fact the guy that's a pretty high floor on this coaching search. Hopefully he is recruiting Ayo right now just in case.
I'm with you here, so let me follow that up with a question. Did we fully understand where the program was at, and have proper expectations for Groce after he took Webbers group to the tournament the first year?I'm with you on this, but remember the JFG era. Illinois basketball does honeymoons in a way Illinois football does not.
Our next coach will land a commitment from a four star recruit during their first year on the job, and will be treated like John Wooden for doing so. I hate that we do that, but we do that.
I don't think this will be the perception of the program, but with Whitman being a football guy, and the resources going into the football program right now, will that change the perception of the importance of basketball at Illinois? I know that isn't the thought process here, but to outsiders and potential coaches (if the job opens up) will it look like that?
Heard on the post game radio show the other night the mentioning of Tony Bennett. This seems like a bad idea for two reasons:
1. I don't think he would leave a program in the best conference in the country that he has QUIETLY turned into a year in and year out top 10 program.
2. I think Bennett is basically Bruce Weber on steroids; a similar coach to Bo Ryan. He brings in players who fit his system. How often do you hear about the big time recruits heading to Virginia? The Illinois fan base wouldn't like him because he doesn't bring in enough 5 stars. Same reason why Bo Ryan would've never been successful at Illinois.
2. I think Bennett is basically Bruce Weber on steroids; a similar coach to Bo Ryan. He brings in players who fit his system. How often do you hear about the big time recruits heading to Virginia? The Illinois fan base wouldn't like him because he doesn't bring in enough 5 stars. Same reason why Bo Ryan would've never been successful at Illinois.
Seriously, why does everyone think that just because he came from the Keady tree that he's automatically a terrible coach.
I'm with you here, so let me follow that up with a question. Did we fully understand where the program was at, and have proper expectations for Groce after he took Webbers group to the tournament the first year?
The Illinois fan base wouldn't like him because he doesn't bring in enough 5 stars.
The one thing you would say is that just on resources and bone structure it's a lot easier to compare Illinois to Villanova and Ohio State than to Minnesota and Alabama. That's the advantage we start with, but from there it's about putting your best foot forward.
Why two have multiple NCAA Championships and two do not.
I don't think this will be the perception of the program, but with Whitman being a football guy, and the resources going into the football program right now, will that change the perception of the importance of basketball at Illinois? I know that isn't the thought process here, but to outsiders and potential coaches (if the job opens up) will it look like that?
I think I am higher on him than most, while still believing him to be the safest bet. I'm surprised at my own optimism that I think there are actually a few guys that could be "the guy" but we need someone that will get skeptics back on board starting April 2017, full stop. Not a lot of time for anyone to prove themselves.
Like I said, I feel if he's going to peak as a college head coach, he's going to do it in Champaign or in West Lafayette.
I think I am higher on him than most, while still believing him to be the safest bet. I'm surprised at my own optimism that I think there are actually a few guys that could be "the guy" but we need someone that will get skeptics back on board starting April 2017, full stop. Not a lot of time for anyone to prove themselves.
Like I said, I feel if he's going to peak as a college head coach, he's going to do it in Champaign or in West Lafayette.
I'm going to say that Groce will be back next year to coach his recruits, uh, for at least next year. You all can call me on it if it does not happen. Not a problem.
I tend to agree. While I have my doubts about the heights of his peak, I'm quite confident his floor is pretty high. I'm absolutely terrified of hiring the next mid-major-high-risk-hot-hand. So:
- Plan A: can't-miss, low risk aspirational candidates like Archie Miller, Gregg Marshall, or another highly proven guy. Lou Henson, Lon Kruger, and Bill Self all fit this profile. Guenther intentionally stepped down a weight class with Weber because he wanted a guy who would stay at Illinois. He was right about that - nobody else wanted him.
- Plan B: Cuonzo Martin
- Plan C: At this point it's just a crapshoot. People can debate names like Musselman, Keatts, etc., but who really knows.
- Plan A: can't-miss, low risk aspirational candidates like Archie Miller, Gregg Marshall, or another highly proven guy. Lou Henson, Lon Kruger, and Bill Self all fit this profile. Guenther intentionally stepped down a weight class with Weber because he wanted a guy who would stay at Illinois. He was right about that - nobody else wanted him.
Archie Miller isn't coming here. He isn't an option so we should all just move on. He is NC ST bound by mid march
Archie Miller isn't coming here. He isn't an option so we should all just move on. He is NC ST bound by mid march
Not if Mark Gottfried can get them playing up to their talent level down the stretch #LetsGoPack
If Cuonzo's floor is recruiting NBA talent at CAL and them struggling a bit but still making the tournament, sign me up ASAP! Seriously, why does everyone think that just because he came from the Keady tree that he's automatically a terrible coach. I don't give two effs that he came from Keady, we had one bad apple in Weber that didn't turn out great but Weber and CM are two totally different people. CM would do wonders in recruiting in Chicago and the Metro area. He can coach and his teams play great defense. He is the only candidate I full support and trust to take over our program.
Heard on the post game radio show the other night the mentioning of Tony Bennett. This seems like a bad idea for two reasons:
1. I don't think he would leave a program in the best conference in the country that he has QUIETLY turned into a year in and year out top 10 program.
2. I think Bennett is basically Bruce Weber on steroids; a similar coach to Bo Ryan. He brings in players who fit his system. How often do you hear about the big time recruits heading to Virginia? The Illinois fan base wouldn't like him because he doesn't bring in enough 5 stars. Same reason why Bo Ryan would've never been successful at Illinois.
I tend to agree. While I have my doubts about the heights of his peak, I'm quite confident his floor is pretty high. I'm absolutely terrified of hiring the next mid-major-high-risk-hot-hand. So:
- Plan A: can't-miss, low risk aspirational candidates like Archie Miller, Gregg Marshall, or another highly proven guy. Lou Henson, Lon Kruger, and Bill Self all fit this profile. Guenther intentionally stepped down a weight class with Weber because he wanted a guy who would stay at Illinois. He was right about that - nobody else wanted him.
- Plan B: Cuonzo Martin
- Plan C: At this point it's just a crapshoot. People can debate names like Musselman, Keatts, etc., but who really knows.
I tend to agree. While I have my doubts about the heights of his peak, I'm quite confident his floor is pretty high. I'm absolutely terrified of hiring the next mid-major-high-risk-hot-hand. So:
- Plan A: can't-miss, low risk aspirational candidates like Archie Miller, Gregg Marshall, or another highly proven guy. Lou Henson, Lon Kruger, and Bill Self all fit this profile. Guenther intentionally stepped down a weight class with Weber because he wanted a guy who would stay at Illinois. He was right about that - nobody else wanted him.
- Plan B: Cuonzo Martin
- Plan C: At this point it's just a crapshoot. People can debate names like Musselman, Keatts, etc., but who really knows.
Man I hope you're wrong but am starting to get a bad gut feeling that you might just be onto something.