After yesterday I needed this. This is milk-through-the nose funny. Hilarious!
Welp, thankfully not from this board. This has to be a joke right, I’m not on the Illini inquirer, so I don’t know what the norm is.
After yesterday I needed this. This is milk-through-the nose funny. Hilarious!
Welp, thankfully not from this board. This has to be a joke right, I’m not on the Illini inquirer, so I don’t know what the norm is.
That's a stretch.1) There is a new generation of players for whom this in your face public chastising does not play well.
2) Was reading Phil Jackson's Eleven Rings , lots of strategies for holding players accountable without public humiliation.
I hope BU knows this better than any of us (even if he doesn't say it out loud), but "elite" in practice doesn't mean a damn thing if you can't/don't do it in games. Full stop. CH may have the potential to be an elite shooter, but as of now he is not. Same goes for many of BU's other uses of "elite"You have some things right here (yes, Coleman does really care) , but my guess is that Coleman coaching problem began a long time ago in Sacramento. Think about it. Coleman already showed talent as a sophomore, but he couldn't hold a starting position because of his turnovers and his bad outside shooting streaks. When guys like Coleman are well coached at a young age (he wasn't), they learn to take advantage of the height, jumping ability, and quickness. Coleman has improved over the years (I really like the way he played in the last game against Penn State and on his first shot tonight), but he was allowed to play too much on the perimeter for a guy who will never be a great shooter (a little too flat). Heck, I will go so far as saying that don't like the idea of a "point center". It might actually work for Illinois when we have no Kofi or Dain in foul trouble against a dominant 7-foot center. But, in general, you should not have your tallest guy out on the perimeter, 20 feet from the basket. The Sacramento coaches should have known that. The Illinois coaches should have known that too (although it was already late to change it). Even Coleman should have known that. My guess is that he would have had much better college #s (higher shooting percentage, fewer turnovers) had everyone insisted that he learned to play better near the basket.
And while I'm at it, Coleman has a bad habit of long risky (often cross-court) passes (many of which result in TOs). This is related to discipline, and it is the accumulation of years of bad coaching and Coleman's own relaxed attitude about improving this. Coleman really isn't ready for the pro level. He needs to work on these things and becoming a reliable scorer who regularly gets shots in the paint and only settles for longer shots when defenders give him tons of space.
That's a stretch.
BTW, Phil got in player's faces on the sidelines too.
One of Phil's best strategies was to coach where you had the best players in the league.That's a stretch.
BTW, Phil got in player's faces on the sidelines too.
Of my 30 some years of Illini fandom, I never cottened to this team's personality at all... If you can't shoot, can't pass, can't care, can't adjust, you can't win . Brad could never get the right ingredients at the proper times to make a pleasant dish. Hope he learns from this train wreck.
Shannon, Hawkins, Goode, RJ, Ty, and possibly others are most likely coming back along with Dra and Hansberry. I'm sorry, but we are definitely making the tournament next year.
Why would Shannon come back? Didn’t he go thru senior night? I don’t think playing a 5th year helps him with the NBA. Is he the guy all the NIL dollars go to?
1) There is a new generation of players for whom this in your face public chastising does not play well.
2) Was reading Phil Jackson's Eleven Rings , lots of strategies for holding players accountable without public humiliation.
Then why did he recruit him?What did you think about his defense this year, especially vs more physical guards? What does BU preach that his teams are based on? There in lies the problem.
Given the seeds he's had that's probably pretty close to par.Saw a stat. Tom Izzo is 19-5 in first round games.
As a lifelong Illinois Fan....wondering what a second round for Illinois would look like.....hmmmmmmHad to get out a piece of paper for this one:
So all NCAA tournaments are played in two-game units right, a four-team bracket over a weekend? First/Second, S16/E8, FF/Title Game.
Bill Self career is 35-6 in the first game of an NCAA tournament weekend, but only 20-15 in the second game.
Some of that is the effect of easy first round games, but only a bit. He's 21-2 in the first round, to the stat about Izzo above.
He must not have heard that the game “has passed him by” like so many her repeatedly saySaw a stat. Tom Izzo is 19-5 in first round games.
That's the question and it's a great question. Was it a poor evaluation? Did he think that he was a kid that he can mold into an "elite" defender and their personalities didn't match? When the Skyy situation went sideways and JE got thrown into a HUGE role, was it too much? Not sure anyone knows the answers, but it's relatively clear that 1)he's nowhere near physical enough to be a solid defender (right now) and he doesn't like to be coached the way BU coaches.Then why did he recruit him?
While I feel there are plenty of unfair criticisms of the coaching staff in this thread, personally, I feel that is a very fair criticism based on how things went with some of the players this year and the major chemistry issues, as that is the coaching staff's job to consider when constructing the roster. If we give the benefit of the doubt, a Skyy Clark situation is a very hard one to predict, as you'd need to not only predict a 5 star PG unable to hold the starting role you give him when he's the lone player on your team at that position, but also predict him leaving instead of fighting through it and winning it back. Yes, a character assessment needs to be done, but for a kid who fought through a knee injury to play, you don't expect him to be someone who would up and quit. That said, we also don't know what promises were made to get him to come here. But pure benefit of the doubt, hard to pass on a 5 star on an off chance they don't work out.If what you say is correct, there needs to be a major reevaluation of the type of player that this staff recruits.
Taking the view from 30,000 feet, the portal and NIL have thrown two new large (somewhat unpredictable and uncontrollable) factors into recruiting and building a TEAM. Like it or not, we are trending to NBA model when it comes to motivating players.Some have stated that this was Coach’s toughest year in his career. Well, it appears that this off-season may be the toughest in Coach’s career as well. There are so many enigmas both on and off the floor to unwrap in so short a time. Not to mention assembling a competitive team for the court.
I agree with your pointsNot to bend over backwards trying to defend him, but I think Brad was likely stuck between a rock and a hard place. I think he realized fairly early on that the players going off-script and not following the game plan were not going to change and when he challenged them there was basically an open rebellion in which he risked fully losing the team. And when the freshman PG you recruited quits the team midseason, that is an eye-opener as well. So my guess is that Brad was forced with 1 of 2 unenviable options: Play only those willing to follow the game plan and bench the rest, hoping they too don't leave the program and the possibly crippling national media story that would follow it, or take a step back, try catering to the players, and let the inmates run the asylum while focusing on trying to coach up and develop the freshmen. Brad in my estimation chose the latter. It was probably the worse of the two options in terms of building a team and the frustrating on-court performances, but it was probably the better decision for the longevity of both his coaching career and more than possibly the program itself.
It's a tough decision to make. Sometimes you know it's a bad decision but you hope for the best only to realize that best is never coming.
Brad Underwood should use this strategy. He would be a legend.One of Phil's best strategies was to coach where you had the best players in the league.
Taking the view from 30,000 feet, the portal and NIL have thrown two new large (somewhat unpredictable and uncontrollable) factors into recruiting and building a TEAM. Like it or not, we are trending to NBA model when it comes to motivating players.
Since 1985 and field moving to 64/68 (and keeping in mind that in 2011/2013 NCAA moved to the lunacy of calling the first 4 "round 1", round of 64 second round, and round of 32 third round)As a lifelong Illinois Fan....wondering what a second round for Illinois would look like.....hmmmmmm