AyoDos11
- Southern Illinois
I can totally see Coleman becoming a Trent/Damonte-type culture guy if he comes back next year.
I can totally see Coleman becoming a Trent/Damonte-type culture guy if he comes back next year.
We won’t recognize next year’s team
I was screaming at the television for him to protect the ball. You could see what was going to happen.
Ok I'm confused. I thought this was Terrence Shannon Jr's last year? Does he have the chance to come back? Is Matt Mayer our only player that cannot potentially return?
I'm not sure about doom but I'm feeling pretty gloomy and it's not about the student athletes. I'm extremely disappointed in the staff. We got worse as the season progressed. We suck at free throws, an unguarded mid-range shot. We struggle with layups. We are sloppy passers. We've struggled with turnovers at times and played brilliantly at times. The talent is there, but there's no focus. The body language of our players often looked like they had been beaten before the game ended. We're the worst three point shooting team in the B1G and our start to the game had us driving and kicking the ball out for open threes? We missed those shots btw and who could have seen THAT coming? Penn St. beat us three times in a single season. We had Coleman out at the point dribbling the ball multiple times tonight waiting for the shot clock to reach zero or turning the ball over. That's not a game plan. And that lack of game plan seemed to be a story on and off all season. I don't think Brad's on any kind of hot seat, but I think he needs to think long and hard about making some changes. The chemistry on this team was basically non-existent. I look forward to seeing how Coach Underwood turns this around next fall.There's a lot of doom and gloom about the future of the program, most of it based around how the freshmen performed this season. Those people seem to be forgetting part of the point of Underwood's "Get Old, Stay Old" mantra is getting guys who are going to stick around for 3-4 years to develop. COVID messed up the balance a bit, and I believe with TSJ (assuming he leaves) and MM gone we'll see better team chemistry next year.
The postgame video snippets of him are clearly evident of a player who cares deeply about this program, and feels responsible for its success.
That gives me hope that he won't bail unless his professional options are compelling.
Sometimes a single loss can be worth getting what's next on tape for posterity. If anyone wants to get all weepy about getting yelled at during a TO next year, Brad can simply point to what a bunch of talent with discipline issues does in the modern NCAA tournament. It loses. Early.My
My belief all year was that BU did not have the discipline needed to ensure success of the program and of the players. This comment from CH kind of backs that up. I don't think you have to be an ahole coach, but the players need to know that to play consistently you need to respect the coach, the team, other players and the University. Just my opinion.
I can name at least 10 coaches who would not allow a player to consistently not run plays or to follow the game plan. If the player consistently did what he wanted versus the coach, the player would sit until they figured it out. Cronin, Huggins, Few, Barnes, etc. would never let the problems persist all year.Pretty sure Skyy lost some major tick due to performance and others earning more PT, and he ended up quitting. Dain saw a major reduction in minutes late in games down the stretch. Heck, RJ was suspended for a game due to breaking team rules. Could there have been more accountability, sure..but then we would be playing walk on players. Even then some would complain.
Brad tried to put us in best chance to win, but with this team, I am not sure what more could have been done.
It’s bad if he means freshman are leaving and that is how I took it!
I don’t disagree with your sentiment.I can name at least 10 coaches who would not allow a player to consistently not run plays or to follow the game plan. If the player consistently did what he wanted versus the coach, the player would sit until they figured it out. Cronin, Huggins, Few, Barnes, etc. would never let the problems persist all year.
Ayo is the “one” to whom I am referring. Sorry if I’m missing your sarcasm re Tyler, but he doesn’t count. A) He was academically a senior at his third college when he started playing basketball here. B) Come on, man.Well, Ayo & Tyler would beg to differ. . .
I’d like to agree with this but I honestly don’t know if he ever it made to the top of the cliff to begin with…His defense fell off a cliff too.
And frankly, this is why so many people started to walk back their expectations. It was so so obvious that we had players who weren't bought in.His defense fell off a cliff too.
Hawkins vs SyracuseTrying to think back if the word "ELITE" should have ever been used in discussing our players or program during the 2022-23 season. Jalen Pickett is my gold standard when using the word.
As such, I think maybe TSJ's performance against UCLA qualifies. But little else.
The moment that he said he wanted to win Big Ten defensive player of the year was laughable. There is a fine line between confidence and delusionI’d like to agree with this but I honestly don’t know if he ever it made to the top of the cliff to begin with…
He put all the Easter Eggs in one basket. And when he figured out a couple were rotten and some others slightly contaminated by the rotten ones it was too late to get more before Easter. LolAnd frankly, this is why so many people started to walk back their expectations. It was so so obvious that we had players who weren't bought in.
And the damning part was that we just kept giving those players the keys to the team.
You have some things right here (yes, Coleman does really care) , but my guess is that Coleman coaching problem began a long time ago in Sacramento. Think about it. Coleman already showed talent as a sophomore, but he couldn't hold a starting position because of his turnovers and his bad outside shooting streaks. When guys like Coleman are well coached at a young age (he wasn't), they learn to take advantage of the height, jumping ability, and quickness. Coleman has improved over the years (I really like the way he played in the last game against Penn State and on his first shot tonight), but he was allowed to play too much on the perimeter for a guy who will never be a great shooter (a little too flat). Heck, I will go so far as saying that don't like the idea of a "point center". It might actually work for Illinois when we have no Kofi or Dain in foul trouble against a dominant 7-foot center. But, in general, you should not have your tallest guy out on the perimeter, 20 feet from the basket. The Sacramento coaches should have known that. The Illinois coaches should have known that too (although it was already late to change it). Even Coleman should have known that. My guess is that he would have had much better college #s (higher shooting percentage, fewer turnovers) had everyone insisted that he learned to play better near the basket.Hawkins definitely cares. Unfortunately I think he’s been coached very poorly during his time here. He’s been given the green light by his coach who calls him an “elite shooter”, but shoots well under 30% from 3. Brad also has him handling the ball 30-40 feet from the basket which leads to turnovers.
Hawkins should have been in the paint all season. Protecting the rim on defense and getting his offense near the basket. No dribbling. No shooting 3s. I feel like maybe one of the reasons he’s been here is Brad’s promise to allow him to do the NBA stretch 4, when his best college usage is just be a simple in the paint big man. Very frustrating player to watch but I blame the coach for not reigning him in
Wait, this actually happened? He refused to go back in the game? Also, from my seats it looked like he and Mayer were chatting it up on the bench most of the 2nd half. Neither was very engaged.Should we be though? A guy (18 year old at that) that takes himself out of a game, refuses to go back in and then shoulders a coach. Is that what we really want and need for the next 3 years? More individuals instead of team guys?
I don't care if he scores 50 points a game if we score 62 as a team, we need team players that understand chemistry and love thy teammates/coaches!
Hawkins definitely cares. Unfortunately I think he’s been coached very poorly during his time here. He’s been given the green light by his coach who calls him an “elite shooter”, but shoots well under 30% from 3. Brad also has him handling the ball 30-40 feet from the basket which leads to turnovers.
Hawkins should have been in the paint all season. Protecting the rim on defense and getting his offense near the basket. No dribbling. No shooting 3s. I feel like maybe one of the reasons he’s been here is Brad’s promise to allow him to do the NBA stretch 4, when his best college usage is just be a simple in the paint big man. Very frustrating player to watch but I blame the coach for not reigning him in