IllinoisFan733
- Chicago
Thanks WVC. Do they have an open roster spot because of the Spike transfer?
Basketball Transfer Thread
They had 4 guys transfer out, so openings were not a problem.
So do we think he just jumped the gun on the announcement or do we think Matthews hasn't decided yet?
IllinoisFan733
- Chicago
Maybe he's still mulling over his choices. Hopefully he's reconsidering the O & B.
per folks close to him has not committed or visited yet but Michigan firmly in mix
Did you get an edit in there?
I'd take him, but Goodman quote from yesterday ( Mike's post) had Xavier/Michigan mentioned, so I'm not holding my breath on this one as I see no reason to believe we lead the field or are even in the race.
I don't buy the PT argument in this case either.If only I had a dime for every lost recruit that this board claimed that it was because of pt and being scared of other players...
Truth is that Illinois is great opportunity for pt on multiple positions. Nunn is gone, and so will be the major mpg player, Malcolm Hill. Abrams, Tate, Mav, and Thorne will also be gone. Other than JCL, there are not many wing players who have already proven of major minutes in the rotation. So if Matthews is simply scared of pt (totally unsubstantiated IMO), I wonder why Pickett, Goodwin, Lewis, and all other wings that many think would be good fits, are not.
Bottom line, Matthews can right now choose another school for many other reasons than just being scared of pt and other players, especially given the state of our program.
He sits a year and the road is open, Not sure of the UM scholly situation but my guess is it is at least as tough as the competition here.
IllinoisFan733
- Chicago
illini80
- Forgottonia
Not that I have heard. Can't think of the guys name right now, but he is charge of the process and was interviewed by WDWS. I believe it was the Saturday Sportsline show. As of the time MT was granted his wavier, they had not submitted at least part of the paper work on Tracy. For all the talk of how slow the NCAA was on granting MT, from the interview on WDWS it sounded like they heard back pretty quick after the application was submitted. Must be a pretty big project to make the request. Guy said that they had been putting all the effort into Mikes wavier and were just getting started on TA's.
That's what I heard. Wish I could come up with the guys name, but it escapes me now. Maybe someone else heard it and can chime in.
FWIW, they felt Tracy's was not an issue, just had to get all the paperwork in order. That's why they didn't push to get his done earlier.
Following on Illini80's post above, it was Ryan Squire on SportsTalk (May 21 - link below). Ryan is the Associate AD in charge of Compliance at UI, who IIRC had previously called the Abrams case a "slam dunk."
Again, none of the conspiracy theories were valid, the case for Mike Thorne was more difficult and required making a strong case, also going through the conference first. But once the case got to the NCAA, Ryan Squire mentioned that it was a "very quick decision." On Abrams, part of the delay is due to UI not having the urgency to submit early, they think it is a pretty clear cut case and Abrams will get his 6th year. So no NCAA conspiracy, no reason to worry, and it is just a matter to time.
BTW, getting a 5th year approval requires just approval from the conference compliance office, does not require NCAA approval.
Interesting comments by Ryan Squire also on the NCAA ruling on Ahmad Starks, getting denied on his hardship waiver application. According to Squire, UI was not surprised by the ruling, they knew it was going to be tough to get it approved, and the UI/Starks case was missing a couple of crucial elements that would have been necessary. This is contrary to popular message board comments that the NCAA did us wrong and the NCAA decision on Starks was not expected by UI.
Interview with Ryan Squire starts after the 1:17:30 mark below:
http://www.news-gazette.com/audio/2016-05-21/podcast-saturday-sportstalk-05-21-16.html
Again, none of the conspiracy theories were valid, the case for Mike Thorne was more difficult and required making a strong case, also going through the conference first. But once the case got to the NCAA, Ryan Squire mentioned that it was a "very quick decision." On Abrams, part of the delay is due to UI not having the urgency to submit early, they think it is a pretty clear cut case and Abrams will get his 6th year. So no NCAA conspiracy, no reason to worry, and it is just a matter to time.
BTW, getting a 5th year approval requires just approval from the conference compliance office, does not require NCAA approval.
Interesting comments by Ryan Squire also on the NCAA ruling on Ahmad Starks, getting denied on his hardship waiver application. According to Squire, UI was not surprised by the ruling, they knew it was going to be tough to get it approved, and the UI/Starks case was missing a couple of crucial elements that would have been necessary. This is contrary to popular message board comments that the NCAA did us wrong and the NCAA decision on Starks was not expected by UI.
Interview with Ryan Squire starts after the 1:17:30 mark below:
http://www.news-gazette.com/audio/2016-05-21/podcast-saturday-sportstalk-05-21-16.html
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icengineer
- Southern Illinois
Thanks for the info Obelix. It still begs the question... What keeps the compliance department from having this paperwork ready to be turned in on the first day that you can possibly do so? I know we have a few guys needing this paperwork turned in, but still, it doesn't seem as if it should be that difficult.
IlliniRunIn07
- Tampa, FL
I was wondering the same thing. Obviously the staff knows the process a lot better than you or I do, but it seems kind of strange to me that we couldn't have both ready at the same time. That being said, I guess I never realized how much work had to go into it on the program's part, so the staff deserves a ton of credit for how they handled Thorne's case.
They should be considered as some of the world's foremost authorities on the subject by now.
Why rush the appeal process? I'd assume theyd want to make sure that they have everything correct and orderly so that the appeal won't have any holes or missing documentation. If they miss one thing, they're screwed. You have one chance to get it right and have to wait and see what happens. There's no bargaining or second appeal.
People often wonder why getting transcripts and other paperwork for eligibility is so time consuming, but people that handle such documentation know how hectic the process can be. But even then, schools can continue to provide any supporting documents if they're necessary.
icengineer
- Southern Illinois
Who said anything about rushing the process? Tracy was out all year. Plenty of time to have that done in advance. Thorne was known midway through the season, again plenty of time to get stuff together. Also there are no other schools involved so the transcript thing is moot, or as some on here might say, mute.
Regardless of all that though, it seems that the sooner you know where you stand the sooner you can fill the spots if things don't work in your favor.
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I'm talking specifically about Thorne. You're saying it's plenty of time as if it's just a several page application when it's not. I brought up the transcript issue because I actually have experience with that and know that it can be a tedious and lengthy process to make sure all of the info is correct just for that. Most people think it's easy and quick, but it's far from it. I don't have experience dealing with a 6th medical waiver, but I know it's a much more complicated process trying to get documentation from doctors, staff members, and other schools involved. I could be wrong but I believe he had to get documentation from his first medical waiver since it wasn't done through the NCAA, just his conference. Good luck trusting a mid major in doing stuff correctly, they probably had to check the accuracy of all the info themselves. I know you didn't say to rush the process, but you're statement about them having plenty of time to get the stuff together implies that it could have been done sooner. Submitting the paperwork sooner than you would like is rushing the process.
Illinithad
- Northeast Missouri
Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein 3h3 hours ago
Tennessee transfer Ray Kasongo will visit Iowa State next Thursday, source told @CBSSports. Recently visited TCU.
Tennessee transfer Ray Kasongo will visit Iowa State next Thursday, source told @CBSSports. Recently visited TCU.
Transfer or sixth year is still a possibility, although getting smaller as time goes by. The alternative is to award it to Alex Austin for his senior year and use it on 2017 recruits moving forward.
I realize there's still a chance somebody comes available late, but AA getting the ship seems most likely to me