Chicago Cubs 2016 Season

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This is something the old Cubs regime would have never done. Trade a guy who obviously has some defensive deficiencies and really no position while he is still a really hot prospect. You can't deny the kid has a tremendous bat and would be a perfect fit in the AL for years and years. He is perfect for the playoff run but if you can get real value for him, you have to seriously consider it.

The old regime never built from the ground up from homegrown talent through the draft and prospects identified from other organizations and acquired through trade.

There may have been prospects that they held on for too long so teams had more time to recognize players weaknesses driving down his price, but Schwarber is different to me. He could be one of, if not the best left bat in the game.

Theo saw him and fell in love with him, nobody had him going 4. If you go watch him get drafted the "experts" covering it couldn't really believe he was the first position player in the draft. I think Theo has a soft spot for him and he is pretty much untouchable.
 
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I think Theo has a soft spot for him and he is pretty much untouchable.

Perhaps he should be. The Red Sox gave up Babe Ruth. The Cubs gave up Lou Brock. Let's keep Schwarber and see what he's got.

I'm not suggesting Schwarber will ever be as good as those two players. But trading him now might just make the "Top ten worst Cubs trades" in fifteen or so years. :)
 
#528      
Yeah, its a good thing the Reds are in town, they should cure all the Cubs ills. Whoops. We can gloss over it all we want, but this team started off 25-6 and is basically a .500 team since (27-26).

We're also 0-32 in games where we fail to score more runs than the other team :thumb:
 
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I am officially worried. Our hot start was with the pitching being dominant, Lester is the only guy I feel good about at the moment.

Jake is a confidence guy, he hasn't hit his spots in his last few starts I don't want him to lose it, and the bullpen is awful.
 
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I am officially worried. Our hot start was with the pitching being dominant, Lester is the only guy I feel good about at the moment.

Jake is a confidence guy, he hasn't hit his spots in his last few starts I don't want him to lose it, and the bullpen is awful.

I feel more frustrated than worried. Anxiously awaiting the break. Bats have been zombies of late...
 
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WILLSON!!!

Edit: Rondon... Ugh... Markakis hits half of his season total of HR tonight.
 
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#533      
Lester is the only guy I feel good about at the moment.

?? Lester gave up 8 runs in 1 1/3 innings in his last start. Hendricks has been our best starting pitcher by far over the last couple of months.
 
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?? Lester gave up 8 runs in 1 1/3 innings in his last start. Hendricks has been our best starting pitcher by far over the last couple of months.

And prior to that start he was NL pitcher of the month for June. He has been lights out this season other than the start you just described. Hendricks has been good, Lester has been great.
 
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Hendricks has been good, Lester has been great.

Hendricks has a lower ERA and WHIP on the season. Since the beginning of May, Lester has given up 25 earned runs vs 18 for Hendricks. Lester's WAR is 2.0 vs 2.1 for Hendricks. The only stat that Lester clearly shines in is strikeouts.
 
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Hendricks has a lower ERA and WHIP on the season. Since the beginning of May, Lester has given up 25 earned runs vs 18 for Hendricks. Lester's WAR is 2.0 vs 2.1 for Hendricks. The only stat that Lester clearly shines in is strikeouts.

While I typically don't use ERA and WHIP as the most accurate measures of a pitcher's effectiveness (I prefer FIP, xFIP, and SIERA), Hendricks holds up in by those metrics. Lester's peripherals have a slight edge, though I doubt would be a significant one if I ran the numbers.

Could we agree they've both been great? :shakehands:
 
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Fowler will probably opt out of his deal and be a free agent. Cubs will likely not re-sign him.

So, barring any trades, I think you're looking at Schwarber, Almora and Heyward in the outfield, with Soler and Szczur backing up.

Rizzo, Zobrist, Russell and Bryant are the infield, with Baez and LaStella backing up.

Contreras and Montero are your catchers, probably with Contreras getting the majority of the starts and Montero filling Ross's role.

In free agency, the Cubs might look for a backup catcher if they don't think Montero can do it any more or possibly a 4th outfielder type if they think they can find someone better than Szczur, but I think they'll probably not be very active in free agency.



I hear this about Strop all the time from other Cubs fans and I just don't get it. The guy had a bad first half of the year with Baltimore back in 2013, but has otherwise been about as consistent a middle reliever as there's been in baseball over the last 5 or 6 seasons.

His ERAs with the Cubs:
2013: 2.83
2014: 2.21
2015: 2.91
2016: 2.70

What exactly is there to complain about?

As for the rest of the bullpen, Cubs relievers are fourth in the league in ERA, a half run lower than league average. Rondon, Strop, Wood, and Cahill have all been excellent. They're all 28 to 31, in the prime of their careers. No real reason to think they'll fall off. It's easy to forget that both Wood and Cahill were All Star starting pitchers.

Grimm and Warren have both pitched below expectations. Given their talent level, past results, and the small sample size (about 25 innings) this year, they are both quite likely to pitch better over the course of the rest of the season than anyone brought in to replace them would.

Richard is just a place holder and it's only a matter of time before he's replaced by Matusz or someone else. He's pitched a grand total of 12 innings this year. It's not like the 1 inning every 5 or 6 games that he's pitched makes a big difference in the grand scheme of things.

Sure, getting a Miller or a Chapman would be awesome, but I don't know why anyone should have "zero confidence" in the Cubs middle relief.

So.........how's that bullpen looking to you right about now, after you shredded apart my post from last month?

I didn't think what the starters were accomplishing was sustainable over the course of a 162 game season, and they seem to have plateaued just shy of 70 games. To boot, the early season numbers from the relief staff were misnomers, as is proving to be the case.

That's two straight games in a row, against cellar-dwelling teams in the N.L., at home, no less, with Cahill blowing it against the Reds on Wednesday (that's not all on Cahill........Maddon is just as culpable), and your supposed *ACE* reliever, Rondon, blowing yet another save opportunity yesterday in the 9th against the lowly Braves, right after your team, powered by the inspired rookie Contreras, just made a comeback in the 8th inning.

Been following this franchise for 40 years. There will always be doubts in the back of the mind of any longtime Cubs fan, regardless of the empirical evidence belying such suspicions. And now with the recent tailspin, from the pitching and hitting, we have some evidence to support those claims. The $64K questions is: how temporary is it? After all, most contenders go through dry spells.

But here's a stat for you: after getting off to a 25-6 start to the season, the Cubs have played .500 ball over the last 8 weeks (27-27), so it's hardly just a "recent" lull in production.

That said, they are obviously in the postseason conversation, barring a major meltdown in the 2nd half.

Still......anything short of Epstein & Co. acquiring a rock solid lefty reliever and an additional lefty pitcher (spot starter/middle reliever) over the next few weeks is a recipe for an early exit in October. In the end, it may not matter much if the starters under-perform the way they have been in the last few weeks.

In fact, I still think the core group of young hitters on the active roster are too inexperienced to demonstrate the requisite plate patience come October to be difference-makers against the likes of flame throwers from Washington, New York and San Francisco. Hope I'm wrong!

I still think better days lie ahead for a franchise blessed with a wealth of productive hitters, most of whom should be donning Cubbie blue for a long time to come. And there are still more in the pipeline (Happ, McKinney, et al). They'll just have to grow up a little faster than normal while we still have something resembling a good starting rotation, and that window will keep growing shorter, barring major acquisitions and unloading some young talent.

My two cents!
 
#539      
To really throw a wet blanket on everything (You young guys gotta remember, us old timers have seen this show repeat on and on), the 1977 Cubs were 47-22, got swept by the Cardinals in a series, and finished 81-81. This year I think they were 46-22 when they recently got swept by the Cards. :eek:
 
#540      
To really throw a wet blanket on everything (You young guys gotta remember, us old timers have seen this show repeat on and on), the 1977 Cubs were 47-22, got swept by the Cardinals in a series, and finished 81-81. This year I think they were 46-22 when they recently got swept by the Cards. :eek:

Joe Maddon wasn't the Manager in 1977. Theo Epstein andJed Hoyer weren't the President and GM. These are HUGE differences.:):):)
 
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[ W ]

Heading to the all-star break with a win! (finally)

As we all know very well, this team started out red hot to open the season and hit a huge slump over the past month or so. The team was due for a regression to the norm, but most didn't expect this much of a fall. But at 53-35 at the midway point, I am thrilled. Through 88 games last season, they were 47-41.

Theo & company will work to revamp the dreaded bullpen, first internally (Nathan? Matusz?), then externally via trade (Miller? Chapman? Doolittle? Abad?). I wonder if they will go after a starter, too. There have been reports of them scouting former Cub LHP Rich Hill.

The biggest factor going forward is the teams health. Seems like when Fowler went down, so too did the wins. Having him back, along with Soler, Coghlan, and Ross is crucial, if only even for the purpose of depth.

Can't wait for the second half! (Even with all the negativity presently surrounding this fan base ;))
 
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Eloy Jimenez had quite a night at the Futures Game. He homered and doubled at the plate, and had this defensive gem in the field:

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Not bad for a 19 year old.
 
#543      
So.........how's that bullpen looking to you right about now, after you shredded apart my post from last month?

Wow. A lot to get to there.

The issue over the last 21 games has not been the bullpen. It's been the starting pitching's inability to go deep into games. That's exposed the back half of the bullpen. Any team, no matter how good, is going to struggle when their 5th, 6th and even 7th reliever is pitching multiple innings in a series. Or when their top relievers are pitching 40 or 50 pitches in a series.

As unsustainably awesome as the starting pitching was over the course of the first 70 games of the season, it's been unsustainably bad over these last 21. Unless you think Arrieta, Lester, and Lackey have all suddenly been magically transformed into the three worst starting pitchers in baseball.

They will all most likely revert to their career numbers and with Hendricks having a really strong year, the Cubs starting pitching will be fine.

You want the Cubs to go get a lefty reliever? They did already. Brian Matusz, who played the last three years with Baltimore before being traded to Atlanta, getting hurt and then released by the Braves, is at AAA right now. A couple good appearances, he'll be with the Cubs. He's had a 3.65 ERA with the Orioles the last 3 and a fraction years since he was permanently converted to relief.

And kind of related and not addressed to you, rather the people who continue to talk about trading for Andrew Miller: The Yankees have stated their price for Miller publicly, and the Cubs are simply not trading a 23 year year old proven MLB power hitter under contract for 5 more years for a 31 year old relief pitcher.

Think about it. Miller maybe gets you 2 more wins in the standings over the course of this year (won't be the difference between the Cubs making the playoffs) and at the absolute most gives up 2 fewer runs over the course of 19 playoff games than the guy he'd be replacing. Compare that to Schwarber who could be worth 4 or 5 games in the standings every single year of his contract if he simply never gets any better than he was in '15. Miller won't put the Cubs over the top this year, while Schwarber could put the Cubs over the top in each of the next 5. Miller would be a nice piece to get, but at nowhere close to the price the Yankees are asking.

If the Cubs trade Schwarber it will be for a major haul. More likely they'll trade Soler, Vogelbach, Candeleirio and/or etc. for someone who isn't Miller.
 
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