Coaching Carousel (Basketball)

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lstewart53x3

Scottsdale, Arizona
Going back to Dan Hurley, I have to think him leaving for the NBA would really sound the alarm bells for at least NABC in terms of college coaches getting fed up with the transfer portal. Hurley should be the kind of guy who would stay 20 years at UConn. He should have the kind of tenure that Bill Self has had at Kansas. If he would leave now, that would be a pretty telltale sign that the idea of constantly recruiting to retain and bring in new talent is too much.
There will never be a shortage of talent willing to play the new game for $5 million a year.
 
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It’s reported that depauls nil for basketball is 200k for the entire team. I doubt Juwan can recruit Chicago with that
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
He surely had offers last year, likely the year before as well.

If I'm Henderson, I'm taking a much much better job than DePaul.
If this is true, then I agree, but I don't think it's true.

Schools don't respect Ivy League basketball with the weird no-scholarship thing and the limitations on the kinds of players they can recruit, and the Princeton offense makes people worry players won't want to go there (tell that to John Thompson III).

DePaul is desperate enough to see through those things to a consistently successful college basketball coach who has more Chicago-area kids on his current roster than Juwan Howard has recruited his entire time at Michigan.
 
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Mr. Tibbs

southeast DuPage
If this is true, then I agree, but I don't think it's true.

Schools don't respect Ivy League basketball with the weird no-scholarship thing and the limitations on the kinds of players they can recruit, and the Princeton offense makes people worry players won't want to go there (tell that to John Thompson III).

DePaul is desperate enough to see through those things to a consistently successful college basketball coach who has more Chicago-area kids on his current roster than Juwan Howard has recruited his entire time at Michigan.
I can just about guarantee you that not one player in the Ivy league is paying retail tuition . They have a “no scholarship” rule , but all those players are getting other types of discounts that make the cost of tuition very affordable
 
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It’s reported that depauls nil for basketball is 200k for the entire team. I doubt Juwan can recruit Chicago with that
If they do net a huge hire, alumni money will follow. No one was willing to give to a program with no hope under the Stub. And for the people wondering why someone would want the Depaul job, it is still a power conference team in a great city full of talent, a new arena and commitment to build a new basketball training facility like Ubben. There’s so much potential upside. Certainly, no one could do worse.
 
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If they do net a huge hire, alumni money will follow. No one was willing to give to a program with no hope under the Stub. And for the people wondering why someone would want the Depaul job, it is still a power conference team in a great city full of talent, a new arena and commitment to build a new basketball training facility like Ubben. There’s so much potential upside. Certainly, no one could do worse.
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the national

the Front Range
It is beyond me why the Bulls majority ownership continues to allow Reinsdorf to hold the management reins. Despite popular belief, Reinsdorf does not own the bulls, he only has a minority stake.
I did not know this. Thats nuts. They need to real him back asap.
 
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I did not know this. Thats nuts. They need to real him back asap.
That’s the way they like it. These are the people who own the Bulls organization. Reinsdorf is a minority stake holder.
 

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If they do net a huge hire, alumni money will follow. No one was willing to give to a program with no hope under the Stub. And for the people wondering why someone would want the Depaul job, it is still a power conference team in a great city full of talent, a new arena and commitment to build a new basketball training facility like Ubben. There’s so much potential upside. Certainly, no one could do worse.
There are going to be a lot of jobs coming available in the next year or 2. There are old coaches that have to retire at some point like Tom Izzo, Jim Larranaga, and Leonard Hamilton, there are teams that gave an interim guy a shot with poor results following like Texas and West Virginia, and there are teams not happy with the records like Michigan, Ohio State, Villanova, Oklahoma State, Louisville, etc. You hear rumors of guys like Self and Few thinking about retiring.

You may not be able to land any of those jobs, but those jobs create one hell of a carousel, which will open even more great jobs. I don't see why any successful head coach would touch DePaul. Even since the new Big East was created, DePaul has been in the bottom 2 every season. They don't have the NIL, they don't have the fan support or facilities, they don't have the reputation. They simply can't compete in the Big East. They'd be wise to look at joining the MVC or MAC. There at least they could build some wins and try to get some goodwill going towards the program.

To me, only an assistant should take the DePaul job. For an assistant it's likely a pay raise, and an opportunity with minimal downside. You're probably not expected to win, but if you do? If you don't, you can probably get a head job at a mid-major on the rebound, or you go right back to being an assistant at a big school. If you're an up and coming mid-major head coach, you take the job, fail, now you may have tarnished that up and coming status. You may have to step back into the assistant ranks after. I'd wait for one of the multitude of better jobs to open and just try to get a raise from current school instead.
 
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I'd rather be trying to rebuild a bottom feeder in the MVC than in the Big East.
I think if you can score a P5 job, you do it.... regardless of how dire the situation is. If he were were to get the team to an NCAA Tournament, he'd have his choice of jobs. Chris Collins pulled it off at Northwestern. He's built a legitimate program at the P5 level.

DePaul hired Mark Aguirre as an assistant to the DA. He doesn't do that unless there is some sort of commitment to the program. I think that can also be associated with the job at Rutgers, Nebraska and Penn State.

Would it be a huge task? Absolutely. Could he punch his ticket to just about anywhere if he brings them back to respectability? Absolutely.

Never turn your nose up when you have the opportunity to move up to the highest level of coaching.

That said, DePaul would have to assure this coach more support at the NIL level.
 
#143      
That’s the way they like it. These are the people who own the Bulls organization. Reinsdorf is a minority stake holder.
Most of these own very small interests with little or no voting power. Owning a piece of a professional sports franchise is so you can talk about it to your contemporaries. The Cubs did the same thing a few years ago.
 
#144      
LOL, Ralph was a excellent coach. The floor in the MATT arena is a tribute to the University of Oregon 1939 "Tall Firs" that won the first NCAA national title in basketball. I agree it isn't the easiest floor to look at, but as a Duck it sort of grows on you, not so much for opponents.

That would have been 80-81 with Steve Johnson, Radford, Blume and Sitton, very good team. Johnson was a beast in the middle. Ducks weren't very good in those days.
I remember watching that team. They were tough. Steve Hohnson feeding those big guards cutting to the hoop. 26-2 and lost in the first round.
 
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I remember watching that team. They were tough. Steve Hohnson feeding those big guards cutting to the hoop. 26-2 and lost in the first round.
He left out Lester Connor, who was a demon on D. I think him, Redford and Blume all averaged about 2 spg. Basically a 6 man team with Jeff Stout as a designated shooter.

Think I only missed 1 or 2 home games. Tickets were free for students as were tickets to football. Only went to one football game. They didn’t win a game all year.
 
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There are going to be a lot of jobs coming available in the next year or 2. There are old coaches that have to retire at some point like Tom Izzo, Jim Larranaga, and Leonard Hamilton, there are teams that gave an interim guy a shot with poor results following like Texas and West Virginia, and there are teams not happy with the records like Michigan, Ohio State, Villanova, Oklahoma State, Louisville, etc. You hear rumors of guys like Self and Few thinking about retiring.

You may not be able to land any of those jobs, but those jobs create one hell of a carousel, which will open even more great jobs. I don't see why any successful head coach would touch DePaul. Even since the new Big East was created, DePaul has been in the bottom 2 every season. They don't have the NIL, they don't have the fan support or facilities, they don't have the reputation. They simply can't compete in the Big East. They'd be wise to look at joining the MVC or MAC. There at least they could build some wins and try to get some goodwill going towards the program.

To me, only an assistant should take the DePaul job. For an assistant it's likely a pay raise, and an opportunity with minimal downside. You're probably not expected to win, but if you do? If you don't, you can probably get a head job at a mid-major on the rebound, or you go right back to being an assistant at a big school. If you're an up and coming mid-major head coach, you take the job, fail, now you may have tarnished that up and coming status. You may have to step back into the assistant ranks after. I'd wait for one of the multitude of better jobs to open and just try to get a raise from current school instead.
This discussion started with the idea that Juwan would be going to DePaul. I think you answered your own question.
 
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Nat easy firing a guy like Few.


Longest home court winning streak: 75

Most NCAA tournament appearances: 24

Most NCAA tournament wins: 41

Most NCAA championship game appearances: 2

Most final 4 appearances: 2

Most elite 8 appearances: 5

Most sweet 16 appearances: 12

Most round of 32 appearances: 18
I can’t imagine they fire Few…. One down year? He is Gonzaga. You can’t fire a coach like him.
 
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OrangeBlue98

Des Moines, IA
I can’t imagine they fire Few…. One down year? He is Gonzaga. You can’t fire a coach like him.
Completely agree. The baseline scenario for Few being pushed out is basically what happened to Belichick in New England. Personally, I think it will even take more. The only possible variable would be if Tommy Lloyd basically communicated to Gonzaga something to the effect of “If you want me, it’s now or never”, and they MIGHT figure out some sort of transition plan to essentially have Few retire.
 
#150      
I think if you can score a P5 job, you do it.... regardless of how dire the situation is. If he were were to get the team to an NCAA Tournament, he'd have his choice of jobs. Chris Collins pulled it off at Northwestern. He's built a legitimate program at the P5 level.

DePaul hired Mark Aguirre as an assistant to the DA. He doesn't do that unless there is some sort of commitment to the program. I think that can also be associated with the job at Rutgers, Nebraska and Penn State.

Would it be a huge task? Absolutely. Could he punch his ticket to just about anywhere if he brings them back to respectability? Absolutely.

Never turn your nose up when you have the opportunity to move up to the highest level of coaching.

That said, DePaul would have to assure this coach more support at the NIL level.
Gonzaga, Houston, Wichita St, Creighton, Memphis, etc. have all shown that regular winning is what matters most to long term relevance (& often leads to a conference upgrade).

Getting players to win in the MVC can be 1-2 classes, just look at Josh Schertz. DePaul has systematic disadvantages to get the players needed to be competitive in the Big East (it's had one >.500 Big East conference record ) and all of that not winning in conference isn't going to draw those resources.
 
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