Coaching Carousel (Basketball)

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Emerson Bigguns

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OrangeBlue98 said:
Going back to Dan Hurley, I have to think him leaving for the NBA would really sound the alarm bells for at least NABC in terms of college coaches getting fed up with the transfer portal. Hurley should be the kind of guy who would stay 20 years at UConn. He should have the kind of tenure that Bill Self has had at Kansas. If he would leave now, that would be a pretty telltale sign that the idea of constantly recruiting to retain and bring in new talent is too much.
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Considering that the highest paid NBA coach makes twice what the highest paid NCAA coach makes, it's not that crazy. There has never been an "off-season" in college basketball. You've always got to be scouting and recruiting. Yes, it's even more demanding now, but it has never brought a great work/life balance.
I won't pretend that an NBA job does, but the off-season is the off-season for coaches. Playing in the biggest arenas, flying in brand new chartered jets, and staying in 5-star hotels isn't a bad way of life either...
In hindsight, perhaps Pitino, Calipari, Donovan (though he's still hanging on), Hoiberg, Kruger, etc... should have stayed in NCAA when the NBA came calling, but they went to see if they could make it coaching the best players in the world. It's always going to be a draw, especially for guys who have already climbed to the top of the mountain in college basketball.
I imagine a young Dan Hurley had dreams of playing in the NBA, like his brother. Those never came true, but he could still make the NBA. For some people those dreams don't die easily, no matter how successful you are in a different venue.
A lot of folks thought Brad Stevens was making a mistake taking the Celtics job. Seems to have worked out great for him.

I won't pretend to know what Dan is thinking. I'm sure his current focus is going back to back, but if he does, the siren song of the NBA might be too sweet to ignore. Frankly, it would be hard to blame him regardless of the NCAA rules.
 
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CoachHooleyHoo

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Second place is 1st loser said:
See Northwestern and/or Rutgers. They were the dregs of men's college basketball. Northwestern is legit and Rutgers has the #2 ranked recruiting class is coming until town.

You take the job because it's a P5 job. There aren't many of them, much less open ones.
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Outliers. For every one of those there are a hundred examples where it basically tanks a guy's career.
 
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ChiefGritty

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Emerson Bigguns said:
Considering that the highest paid NBA coach makes twice what the highest paid NCAA coach makes, it's not that crazy. There has never been an "off-season" in college basketball. You've always got to be scouting and recruiting. Yes, it's even more demanding now, but it has never brought a great work/life balance.
I won't pretend that an NBA job does, but the off-season is the off-season for coaches. Playing in the biggest arenas, flying in brand new chartered jets, and staying in 5-star hotels isn't a bad way of life either...
In hindsight, perhaps Pitino, Calipari, Donovan (though he's still hanging on), Hoiberg, Kruger, etc... should have stayed in NCAA when the NBA came calling, but they went to see if they could make it coaching the best players in the world. It's always going to be a draw, especially for guys who have already climbed to the top of the mountain in college basketball.
I imagine a young Dan Hurley had dreams of playing in the NBA, like his brother. Those never came true, but he could still make the NBA. For some people those dreams don't die easily, no matter how successful you are in a different venue.
A lot of folks thought Brad Stevens was making a mistake taking the Celtics job. Seems to have worked out great for him.

I won't pretend to know what Dan is thinking. I'm sure his current focus is going back to back, but if he does, the siren song of the NBA might be too sweet to ignore. Frankly, it would be hard to blame him regardless of the NCAA rules.
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A college basketball head coach is the alpha and omega, the sun and the moon, they are the godlike architect of the destiny of the entire program.

An NBA coach, now more than ever, is a pretty peripheral figure in the destiny of an NBA team. All the teams pretty much play the same now, and the fortunes of the franchise are an interaction between the GM and the marketplace of superstar players and their agents.

Now, if you get a head coach/GM full control of basketball operations type deal like Rick Pitino got from the Celtics, that's a different story. But with zero professional basketball experience I can't imagine that's what Hurley is in line for.

Hurley also just kinda seems badly suited to the NBA? He's a sideline demon, not the slick smooth operator type.

There's just no way Hurley leaves what he's built UConn into 10-15 years ago. It would be a statement that CBB isn't worth sticking with, there's no other way to take it. And Hurley is no shrinking violet, I'm sure he'd say so if this move came to pass.
 
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ChiefGritty

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Indy Illini Fan said:
There's some rumors they want to move to the Big East with Dayton ...

They both would be upgrades over DePaul ... Lol ...
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If SLU and Dayton joined the Big East that would be a 13 team league in which 11 of them have blue as their primary color.

(Chump edit: I guess Dayton is a bit more red-forward. Carry on.)
 
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bluemountain

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IlliniwekKDR said:
I get Northwestern has been a dumpster fire for like 100 years, but can anyone really imagine a program like Duke hiring a guy with a significantly losing record in conference play over 10 plus years?
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Do you know what K's record was at Army? They went to the NIT once in his 5 years there and were 9-17 the year he was hired by Duke. Collins would be extremely successful at Duke
 
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OrangeBlue98

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Des Moines, IA
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ChiefGritty said:
There's just no way Hurley leaves what he's built UConn into 10-15 years ago. It would be a statement that CBB isn't worth sticking with, there's no other way to take it. And Hurley is no shrinking violet, I'm sure he'd say so if this move came to pass.
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I agree on this, which is why I think if Hurley did leave it would lead to some soul-searching about what college basketball is turning into for coaches. Yes, the demand of generational wealth will be too strong for many to pass up. But if someone like Dan Hurley leaves UConn for a NBA head coach role, that would be a pretty strong sign (to me at least) that the current NIL/transfer portal/recruit your whole roster and incoming players every year thing is becoming too much for college coaches.

I don't expect Dan Hurley to leave anytime soon. I think he's one of the coaches who is cut out for college basketball. But I would definitely take notice if he left in the next year or two for a NBA job given what he has built and is building. I took notice as well when Jay Wright left Villanova. His move was really the one that made me start to think we are in a new world of college athletics. Wright was what, 61 years old when he retired? Certainly not young, but he seemed have at least another 3-8 years if he wanted to keep coaching.
 
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Guest

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Indy Illini Fan said:
Yes they have ... Was just down in STL on business and saw it first hand ...

Also more NIL than people realize ...
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Erm, what business were you down there for, he asked as casually as he could, in no way hoping that the answer might give us a clue as to what capacity you work with the Illini and then figure out who you are by knowing that position or capacity. :rolleyes:
 
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Illini 993

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Indy Illini Fan said:
Yep ... I think Moser may be more interested in SLU than people think ... Midwest, Jesuit ... Right up his alley ...

Some other names I'd watch for with SLU: Chris Holtmann, Josh Schertz, Darian DeVries, and Drew Valentine ... They will also definitely call Chris Mack ... But I don't think he would have any interest ...

If they fail to land any of those guys: Ben McCollum ...
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The Kim Anderson experiment down the road in Columbia might be too fresh for the StL crowd to accept a Div II coach. I think Darian DeVries would be a good fit, and a really good match for the Billikens. I also think Moser would be a good hire, as StL was pretty good when he was an assistant to Rick Majerus (who I always thought was a hoops genius, and possibly the biggest eater in college basketball history.)

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skyIdub

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Erm, what business were you down there for, he asked as casually as he could, in no way hoping that the answer might give us a clue as to what capacity you work with the Illini and then figure out who you are by knowing that position or capacity. :rolleyes:
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Chillinini

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Illini 993 said:
The Kim Anderson experiment down the road in Columbia might be too fresh for the StL crowd to accept a Div II coach. I think Darian DeVries would be a good fit, and a really good match for the Billikens. I also think Moser would be a good hire, as StL was pretty good when he was an assistant to Rick Majerus (who I always thought was a hoops genius, and possibly the biggest eater in college basketball history.)

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Yeah, but Anderson’s hire was for then AD Mike Alden to soothe all of Norm Stewart’s cronies and donors at the time. Norm wanted Kim to succeed him but Mizzou went the “golden boy” route with Quin Snyder. And then bypassed Kim the next two times (Mike Anderson and Frank Haiti).
But , yeah, Anderson turned out to be a horrendous hire. Dude could not recruit. He looked like a deer in high beams on the sidelines.
 
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Yukon

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Chillinini said:
Yeah, but Anderson’s hire was for then AD Mike Alden to soothe all of Norm Stewart’s cronies and donors at the time. Norm wanted Kim to succeed him but Mizzou went the “golden boy” route with Quin Snyder. And then bypassed Kim the next two times (Mike Anderson and Frank Haiti).
But , yeah, Anderson turned out to be a horrendous hire. Dude could not recruit. He looked like a deer in high beams on the sidelines.
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Ever seen this guy? It'd be a good competition.


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OrangeBlue98

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Emerson Bigguns said:
In hindsight, perhaps Pitino, Calipari, Donovan (though he's still hanging on), Hoiberg, Kruger, etc... should have stayed in NCAA when the NBA came calling, but they went to see if they could make it coaching the best players in the world. It's always going to be a draw, especially for guys who have already climbed to the top of the mountain in college basketball.
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When Lon left for Atlanta, my dad said he had 10 million and 1 reasons to take the Hawks job. The "1" was not needing to recruit. And this was still back in the days even before one and done. I just cannot imagine what a meat grinder recruiting is today. I can easily why some coaches would look at that and say, "Man, I just want to coach basketball."

I'm a Green Bay fan, and former Boston College head coach Jeff Hafley just left that job to be the Packers defensive coordinator. I am making a pretty strong guess that one of the big reasons is he will just be able to coach football (and probably make as much if not more than he was at BC) and not have to deal with all of the recruiting. It is probably harder at BC since they would likely be a AAA program for the big guys if a player was there, played well, and then was poached by a school like Alabama or Georgia.
 
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jumpingjack said:
I will never understand the love that guy gets around here.
He would last a year in Bloomington.
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I dont know man, he had a lot of success at Iowa State and Greg McDermott didn’t fair well there. I was skeptical after Nebraska fell back from where Tim Miles had them, but he seems to be making steady progress and Nebraska isn’t the pushover they once were.

Plus I give him bonus points for the spectacular image of him seemingly dying on the bench while his assistant slathered himself in hand sanitizer… you know since he survived and didn’t actually have Covid.
 
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KingWolf11

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Indy Illini Fan said:
Yep ... I think Moser may be more interested in SLU than people think ... Midwest, Jesuit ... Right up his alley ...

Some other names I'd watch for with SLU: Chris Holtmann, Josh Schertz, Darian DeVries, and Drew Valentine ... They will also definitely call Chris Mack ... But I don't think he would have any interest ...

If they fail to land any of those guys: Ben McCollum ...
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Porter should have never left Loyola
 
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ChiefGritty

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Poe's Law said:
Plus I give him bonus points for the spectacular image of him seemingly dying on the bench while his assistant slathered himself in hand sanitizer… you know since he survived and didn’t actually have Covid.
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LOL I had forgotten about that

The thing about Hoiberg is that he essentially invented using transfers as a primary team building strategy at Iowa State when that was considered strange and new and he got a huge first-mover advantage getting talent Iowa State otherwise wouldn't have had, but that insight isn't worth anything anymore, that is now a super mature and competitive marketplace.
 
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Fighter of the Nightman

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illini0440 said:
You ever met a Sooners basketball fan? I kid
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One-sport fan bases blow my mind. Illinois football fans have been through hell and back in the last 35+ years, and you will still get 50k-55k in the stands on a nice day if we have a team with a pulse. In other words, the number of people who are Illini basketball fans (either from being an alumn or just growing up in Illinois) but then have a different favorite football team seem like an INCREDIBLY small number. Meanwhile, I would not be shocked at all if many OU football fans (especially out-of-state ones) cheer for some random Blue Blood in hoops. And I cannot imagine spending November cheering for one team in football and a totally different one in basketball ... bizarre bandwagon behavior that drives me absolutely nuts as a long-suffering Illini fan of both sports, lol.

Add on top of all this that it's not like Oklahoma basketball is the equivalent of Indiana football historically ... they have PLENTY of tradition.
 
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Fighter of the Nightman

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ChiefGritty said:
When I'm king the people who root for a football powerhouse's football team and a different basketball powerhouse's basketball team are first against the wall.

Oh you got a master's degree there? Your wife went there? You grew up in that state? Save it for St. Peter, pal.
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I have never been able to work up a hatred for Purdue because I respect their relatively small, loyal fan base as it navigates a state full of incredibly cringe reversible jacket fans who boast about Notre Dame football all fall and then drop the Irish like a rock to be fans of ~Blue Blood~ Indiana basketball. My sister lived in Indy for nine years, and said that while Notre Dame and Indiana fans were both incredibly annoying (she was a Butler grad), it was these crossover fans that were ALWAYS the worst kinds of people.

All this to say, yes ... I genuinely question these people's place in society, haha.
 
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jumpingjack

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ChiefGritty said:
LOL I had forgotten about that

The thing about Hoiberg is that he essentially invented using transfers as a primary team building strategy at Iowa State when that was considered strange and new and he got a huge first-mover advantage getting talent Iowa State otherwise wouldn't have had, but that insight isn't worth anything anymore, that is now a super mature and competitive marketplace.
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Exactly.
 
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