Indy Illini Fan Do you have a percentage of if you think Brad will be back or not? Is it 50/50 right now? Any insight on what Nate Oats is thinking?
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What are odds that Davis is kept? Especially with their hiring of Bellicheck what can they afford.
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All I got was a shack that washed up on a beach.
Odds Davis is back ? Slim to none … As of today …
What can they afford ? Pretty much whatever they want …
DevILLDawg
- Meredosia, Illinois
I like Brad Underwood. He's a good coach.
As much as we might want it to be true....he's not a Top Ten Coach in CBB. Although, he IS paid like one and given a top 10 NIL budget.
I don't see UNC going for a 60+ year old coach without Carolina Blue ties, who has also only made the second weekend once.
Perspective, he's literally Bill Self's age...
I would make that call first, honestly. Health problems and all before Brad. Follow his predecessors footsteps.
As much as we might want it to be true....he's not a Top Ten Coach in CBB. Although, he IS paid like one and given a top 10 NIL budget.
I don't see UNC going for a 60+ year old coach without Carolina Blue ties, who has also only made the second weekend once.
Perspective, he's literally Bill Self's age...
I would make that call first, honestly. Health problems and all before Brad. Follow his predecessors footsteps.
DevILLDawg
- Meredosia, Illinois
I'm gonna catch hell about the top ten coach remark...
All I gotta say is start naming top coaches *in no order here*
Self
Hurley
Izzo
Kelvin Sampson
Painter
Scheyer
Chris Beard
TJ
Shaka
Sean Miller
Scott Drew
Pitino
Nate Oats
Mark Few
Rick Barnes
Bruce P...Voldemort
Argument for more like
Cronin, McDermott, Dusty May...
I'm not here to argue the list, just to illustrate a point
All I gotta say is start naming top coaches *in no order here*
Self
Hurley
Izzo
Kelvin Sampson
Painter
Scheyer
Chris Beard
TJ
Shaka
Sean Miller
Scott Drew
Pitino
Nate Oats
Mark Few
Rick Barnes
Bruce P...Voldemort
Argument for more like
Cronin, McDermott, Dusty May...
I'm not here to argue the list, just to illustrate a point
You could add Calipari and Otzelberger. I don’t think Underwood would be in my top 15, let alone top 10. I like stability and want him to stay though, with a significant staff shake up of course.
DevILLDawg
- Meredosia, Illinois
I had Otz listed under TJ. Should have been more clear.
I left Calipari off intentionally. My opinion only here but I'd take Brad over Calipari 2020 on..overall career...Cal would have the edge but right now is my assessment
Wait wait wait… So Sean Miller gets a pass for missing one guy for the year but McDermott loses Isaacs for the season and the remaining depth guards transfer in December and yet he’s underachieved? Make it make sense.
Fwiw I think Miller is a fine coach but with the talent he has there they should absolutely be a tournament team. Conwell is very good, Freemantle is solid, and they go 8-9 deep. Miller can get talent in the building but I’d take McDermott over him and I don’t think it’s close
remember McDermott at Iowa State
The Big East has been a top heavy league for a few years and especially this year. So relative to past years, it’s down this year and worse than every power conference league other than maybe the ACC. I get the injury argument but losing a Long Beach State transfer big in October should not result in a missed bid. He’s a good coach but to act like he’s elite? Sorry I think you’re a bit biased here.
Ah yeah my bad. I see people being on the fence with Calipari but his overall body of work cannot be denied. What he did at UMass and Memphis alone put him over Brad IMO.
That was 15 years ago, he’s progressed a lot since then
Most of what any coach has done 5 years ago and longer is kinda out the window. This is a new era of NCAA basketball with the transfer and NIL changes. What Calipari, or Underwood, or anyone else has done in the past is only relevant if they demonstrate that they can or will continue their dominance in winning games. Calipari is not looking good, and hadn't even looked good at UK in recent years, that's why he was pushed out. This is why we have, and will continue to see, some older coaches hang it up in the near future. I liken the changes going on in the NCAA to the huge shift in the NFL the last 5-10 years with many teams opting to go with younger 'coaching savants' as their Head Coaches, (schematic nerds, lol). It will take a few years for the shift to be completed and the transition to what it now means to be a Head Coach in the NCAA. It's not what it used to be.
I think the recruitment of Brad at certain schools is more so a function of who is a top candidate that would actually entertain an offer. Of your main list, maybe only oats, miller, beard and TJ have a discussion with a school like UNC. The others are either comfortable in their situation or likely to retire before going some place else.
Oh Pitno, Pearl, Drew, Brad would all entertain an offer
lstewart53x3
- Scottsdale, Arizona
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He was no good. I was there. He basically ran out of town before the cyclones fired him.
Honestly think Beard would be a massive upgrade from a coaching perspective but I also think Bears is probably a top 3-5 coach in the sport.
I feel like the allegations make Golden pretty much unhireable.
I know nothing came from the the title 9 investigation but you would have to be very very confident in your due diligence and knowing what happened for a University president/board to sign off on hiring him because that is an absolutely career ending move if you're wrong.
Personally, I have never met a person that made it that far up in academia that would take that type of risk on a coach when their are plenty of other good options but maybe I'm wrong.
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In the last 5 years out of Shaka, Painter, Barnes, Oates, Miller….only Painter has a better winning % than Brad.
Oates 117-54
Barnes 114-51
Shaka 113-50
Beard 78-48(didn’t include the mid season firing) so 4 seasons
Brad 117-49
Paint 126-44
Miller hard to do 5 full seasons with the Arizona thing but he’s at 67%
DevILLDawg
- Meredosia, Illinois
Mike Woodson's record as Indiana Head Coach is 77-49. So he's as good as Chris Beard!
C'mon now...there's more to this...
I'm not calling Brad a bad coach. He is a very good one! I know a plethora of UNC fans and winning percentage alone isn't getting him hired.
In fact, to them (right, wrong, or indifferent) having a phenomenal record with JUST 1 second weekend appearance will be a hindrance not a positive.
I could be wrong. He could leave us and I'm sure he'd do a great job. I'm just saying if I'm UNC calls are being made to Jay Wright, Dan Hurley, Nate Oats, TJ Otz, Chris Beard, and likely some NBA coaches after gauging who might be interested before I call Brad. He'd be roughly my 10th call.
Even if you're happy with your job its UNC...
C'mon now...there's more to this...
I'm not calling Brad a bad coach. He is a very good one! I know a plethora of UNC fans and winning percentage alone isn't getting him hired.
In fact, to them (right, wrong, or indifferent) having a phenomenal record with JUST 1 second weekend appearance will be a hindrance not a positive.
I could be wrong. He could leave us and I'm sure he'd do a great job. I'm just saying if I'm UNC calls are being made to Jay Wright, Dan Hurley, Nate Oats, TJ Otz, Chris Beard, and likely some NBA coaches after gauging who might be interested before I call Brad. He'd be roughly my 10th call.
Even if you're happy with your job its UNC...
To play devils advocate a bit id argue that the SEC has been far more talented top to bottom than the Big10 over the last five years.
I like Brad and think he's a good coach but the Big10 has been kind of a mess recently outside of Illinois and Purdue. A lot of the other programs that are typically good have been a bit of a rollercoaster lately.
I know the Big12 has gotten a lot of hype for being the best basketball conference recent but I still the the SEC has been the most talented (both coaching and player wise). I would argue that Oates, Barnes, and Beard have faced tougher conference opponents.
I like Brad and think he's a good coach but the Big10 has been kind of a mess recently outside of Illinois and Purdue. A lot of the other programs that are typically good have been a bit of a rollercoaster lately.
I know the Big12 has gotten a lot of hype for being the best basketball conference recent but I still the the SEC has been the most talented (both coaching and player wise). I would argue that Oates, Barnes, and Beard have faced tougher conference opponents.
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