Austin is a great place to live. Or at least it was when I liveed there. I'm not sure he would have great success there tho.
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DICKnaggie
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After listening to a few more takes on last night, here is another thought: have you seen any disagreement with Brad on the bench this year? In any organization, you absolutely must to have a way to have productive and respectful disagreement that leads to change. I haven't seen it, but maybe others have.
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The same number that followed him here from Oklahoma State.
Fair. I won't put words into your mouth or presume to know better than you why you like him.
But the optics of it is that his 8 win season gets discounted because it happened last year while greater value is placed on his current 20+ win season because it's happening right now.
Meanwhile Brad's 29 win season gets discounted because it happened last year and greater value is placed on his current 17+ win season because it's happening right now.
Probably even more to the point is the fact that before January, Illinois was the 5th best team according to Torvik and Missouri was 59th. On, say, December 22, I doubt there were posts on here about Gates being a better coach than Underwood. But since January, Missouri has been the 5th ranked team and Illinois is 26th and because those results are the most recent, people treat them like the truest representation of each man's coaching ability.
The tricky thing about biases is that they're invisible to the people who have them.
Don't leave me hanging. What broke KJ?
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Ryllini
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I just think Gates is good. I like Brad, I hope he gets this straightened out. Is gates better than Brad, I don’t know. While these hypotheticals are floating, Gates is a guy who I think has the chops and his two short stints are bearing that out.
I know an agent's job is to keep track of who's getting what in the profession and making sure his guy is being compensated fairly. No problem with that. Actively seeing who would be interested in your client and at what price is to me a bridge too far. I can see Josh just flat out refusing to play the game any longer.
Thanks. Seems that could be problematic in future recruiting of top Euro talent. Not ideal at all
Holy crap dude! You certainly have a type.
Winners ??? Not sure I understand why everyone on here acts like these guys are criminals … If there were legitimate charges against either they both wouldn’t be coaching at the Universities they’re at …
Beard’s charges were dropped … There was ZERO evidence found against Golden …
Thanks for sharing. This isn’t an attack on you as you’re just reporting the news…I just hate this type of excuse making, which is an effort to deflect blame motivated by protecting his draft stock.
Maybe there are cultural differences, but many players have thrived under BU and Orlando’s coaching from all sorts of backgrounds…and are playing in the NBA or overseas. Fact is, college basketball is a major step up in competition and physicality from where KJ was before. Probably the 2nd toughest league in the world. It’s a big learning curve for an 18 y.o. and you have to learn to adjust to the scouting reports. Opponents will figure out how to shut you down and you have to develop your game to respond. KJ is still battling through that and the TO’s are inexcusable; the vast majority are entirely on him.
I’m a big fan of KJ’s and hope he succeeds in the NBA and hope he has nice things to say about the program after the season, but it doesn’t get any easier in the NBA. I’m not sure he’s enough of a dawg or athletic enough to make it more than 4-5 years. Hope he proves me wrong.
@Indy Illini Fan - what do you think of this situation?
WOAH! Very interesting comments by Painter. We make fun of IU fans a lot for how delusional they are. Do we need to look in the mirror and realize we might be similar?
RabidDawgClassic
- Los Angeles, CA
Come on, Dude. You can’t be this obtuse.
lol you can’t be this naive
LMAO. Never mind Whitman actually landed his primary target years ago while Indiana settled on Woodson.
There's patience, then there's reading the tea leaves and analyzing where things might be headed. If no coaching changes are made, how safe is Underwood? How safe should he be?
sacraig
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I'd be fine giving Brad more time to learn how to make better adjustments and whatnot as he grows as a coach and hopefully gets us over the hump. He's rebuilt our program from the trash heap, and that earns him a lot of points.
But it's the nepotism. That is such a a deal breaker for me. If he can't see past that, I'm going to struggle to not want a change. If Tyler were actually qualified and good at his job, that would be different. Instead, he (and Hamer) are in roles that are well out of his league and nepotism is the only explanation.
I don't know the story behind Hamer being so prominently featured.
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@Illini_1105 - I agree with you that BU’s our coach through the end of the season and next season whether we make the NCAAT or not. Brad could be here next year and for years to come.
Based on his previous posts, I think what Indy is saying is that there are some significant changes that Josh will require of BU’s staff and that things might come to a crossroads. Brad might choose to leave. It’s also been reported that BU’s agent is actively reaching out to express interest in other head coaching positions and earlier in the season than he usually does, specifically for the Texas job which Brad apparently wanted 3 years ago when it last opened.
There’s a lot of things in the air but we’ll come out in a better spot regardless of BU staying or leaving thanks to Josh.
It wasn’t intended to be a list of actual universities that would hire him but rather a list of the type of schools that might hire Underwood at this point. Basically, 2nd tier schools particularly in that region of the country. The conversation was regarding top schools like a Texas are an extreme longshot for Underwood at this point. You are the only one who didn’t follow the conversation. Everyone else on the board knew he’s not going to OSU but that is the type of school (tier/area) which he would still have a chance at getting hired.
Read the police report that was posted on here about Beard. It's not pretty.
DICKnaggie
- Champaign
I liked this, but I have questions as well. Isn't part of being a JuCo coach (as we have been told is one of Brad's strengths) learning X's and O's? You don't have a huge budget to buy guys that can do that in JuCo. How has that translated? I'm legit asking about why he needs other people to do that given his experience.
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Invisible and Bulletproof
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In a way, this seems potentially reminiscent of the skeptical interpretation that many of us had with respect to Tom Izzo's "supportive" (read: self-interested) public comments during the very end of Weber era.
Will wade went 25-5 at LSU and 15-2 in the SEC. Id write the check for him. Recruiting and XOs instantly are better.
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