Maybe spell it out- What do coaches not like about working with Brad?
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Luke Yaklich would be interested in coming here … Based off what I’ve been told …
What number are you using for years where we missed the tournament? When you say seeding began, do you mean field expanded to 64(+)?
Yes on KJ and Riley. There isn’t necessarily a lot of overlap between those who will make the most money playing basketball and those that are the most impactful college players.
It’s fun to have bragging rights watching guys in the league, but if I had to choose between having Zach Edey or Luka Garza (multi year college NPOYS who will likely be role players at best) on my college team vs say, a Devin Booker (NBA superstar who played one fairly uneventful season at U.K., winning SEC sixth man of the year) I would take the former. And Brad has won big with those types of players so interesting he pivoted to one n dones this year.
For purposes of finding the median, it doesn't really matter what number you use. But I used (n+1) where n = (total number of teams in the field / 4).
If you're interested in the mean using those numbers, it would be a 9 seed or a 5 seed if you take out the Groce / sanction years.
NCAA seeding began in 1979 with a field of 40 teams. It increased to 48 teams the following year, increased to 64 teams in 1985, and increased to 68 in 2011.
In any organization, the best indicator of the organization's long term success is the quality of people the CEO and upper management bring in. This is definitely the case in football - does anyone think Dabo Swinney has much direct impact on game plans or player development? Basketball is different in that the organizations are much smaller and the HC can have much more direct involvement in these areas. But the same principle holds - if you don't surround yourself with good people you will underachieve. Brad has done that to an extreme degree this year. I think he can and will change that in the offseason. But if he is unwilling or unable to do so, then Josh should waste no time in finding a new coach
You already forgot we made the Elite 8 last year? Seems unfair also to use 2014-2016 when he was a 12 seed, 12 seed, and 14 seed. He beat a 5 seed as a 12 that first year too which you just defined as "Lost Second Round".
Plenty of things to be unhappy with Brad about (and I am!), but no need to mislead with missing context and obfuscation of facts.
Tang might be let go??
If you understood the meaning of generational then all those guys would be all stars in the NBA at minimum.
Like c'mon now... Kofi isn't even the best B1G big man of the 2020s and he's somehow generational?
I do agree that he had a huge issue with that but I also think that connections may have been less important if bank accounts were being filled.
Highly doubtful
Yes. In my time watching ILL basketball, I've only seen one other guy even close to that level of big man dominance and that's Deon Thomas.
In Illinois history, that's one in 30 years. If that's not "generational", I'm not sure what you're defining.
Anyone who believes Weber was a great leader of men need just watch the "5-finger vs fist" pregame "hype" (I use that term loosely) speech Bubbles game before the title game in '05. Absolutely hilarious stuff lol
Wait, Illinois was a 9 seed two seasons ago, right? Are you talking about THIS season, where we have no idea what seed Illinois will be?
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Funny how Brad doesn’t get credit for coaching these generational talents when they weren’t yet generational talents. TSJ was phenomenal his super senior year but nowhere near that his regular senior year. Or the three previous years before that. In Ayo’s freshman year we saw the promise, but he still played on a losing team.
Now I ask… who coached those players to their level greatness?
Any one of our stud freshmen might eventually reach TSJ/Ayo levels of greatness if they stay. Of course, in this new world, that’s a very huge if. But contact like Ayo and TSJ were all-century right from the start. They had to learn and grow - just like KJ, Will and Tomi will — if not here, then somewhere else.
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But still better than lasagna.Too much pizza?
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Whispers??? Try irrational screaming.
As I reflect on things, I think this season will help Brad significantly change his approach. Will that drive meaningful change? I guess we'll find out.
For all hyper-successful leaders, there is always an element of 'stubbornness' or resistance to change at the drop of a hat. That is part of what makes many of these people hyper-successful.
That said, many people's refusal to make certain changes or evolve as leaders also keeps them from reaching the top of the mountain. We'll see what the offseason brings, and hopefully, we will look back at this year as a much-needed speedbump that helped elevate the Illini to the next tier.
For all hyper-successful leaders, there is always an element of 'stubbornness' or resistance to change at the drop of a hat. That is part of what makes many of these people hyper-successful.
That said, many people's refusal to make certain changes or evolve as leaders also keeps them from reaching the top of the mountain. We'll see what the offseason brings, and hopefully, we will look back at this year as a much-needed speedbump that helped elevate the Illini to the next tier.
Generational doesn't mean that he was good relative to other players that have ever played at Illinois. It means that of an entire generation (or usually a long timeframe), you are a unique 1 of 1. Zion, Kevin Durant, and Anthony Davis are probably the only generational players who have come through CBB in the last 25 years.
With your logic, if Morez transferred down to like Illinois State and dominated the MVC, he would somehow be a generational player because most ISU fans would've never seen a player like that play for them.
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So then you mean “generational at Illinois” talent. Fair enough. But then I’ll ask, who was the coach who brought in that “generational at Illinois” talent?
Seems disingenuous to criticize the man for winning with the type of player that only one other coach in 30 years could get to come through the doors.
They were also not top 10 recruits so one would be required to apply some credit in the area of player development as well.
The transfer portal and NIL make this argument pretty outdated. You can turn a team around in a year or two if you're smart enough to use both efficiently.
Not trying to push Brad out by any means… but surely Tang’s seat is warm, no?
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