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Speaking of all things Indiana...
Did anyone else notice that in his 6 years at Texas Southern, Mike Davis has 4 regular season conference titles and 3 NCAA appearances?
He's still only 57 years old. Figure if any Horizon, SoCon level vacancies pop up, he'd be a pretty nice candidate should he be looking to move on.
I could also understand him being perfectly content to stay where he is.
Did anyone else notice that in his 6 years at Texas Southern, Mike Davis has 4 regular season conference titles and 3 NCAA appearances?
He's still only 57 years old. Figure if any Horizon, SoCon level vacancies pop up, he'd be a pretty nice candidate should he be looking to move on.
I could also understand him being perfectly content to stay where he is.
NEIlliniFan
- No longer in New England
I 'heard' the same thing on an OSU message board. It amounted to their hopes and wishes with zero substantiation.
Bennett. He's built 2 teams with top 24 offense and defenses. The magic stat to win it all. And won 2 conference championships and a conference tourney.
Mike Davis has done quite well after IU. They never should have run him off. Their lost decade surely would not have happened if he had stayed.
I saw an article or comment where Mike Davis lamented that his career kind of went in reverse order of what it should have. Ideally the smaller conference jobs first with the Indiana job at the end. Wouldn't be surprised to see him get another chance at a P5.
Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
The guy who follows a legend (with the rare exception of a legacy) can never meet expectations. It seems to be an immutable law of sports.
FeelTheLovie
- Louisville, KY
Has anyone else heard the Groce to Dayton rumors? I'd love it for him, but that could be a big time downgrade for that program
Would be a financial benefit to Illini as Groce's buyout is offset by any revenue from a new job.
TownieMatt
CU Expat
- Chicago
Dayton fanbase doesn't seem to understand what happened with Groce here: http://udpride.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30762&page=3
One poster's comment: "I am not sure why Groce did not work out at Illinois. I thought I read something about some recruiting handlers?/AAU folks?/high school coaches? in Chicago not liking the hire, so maybe he could not get the recruits he needed."
That's why I didn't think Archie would be the next Illinois coach. Because of the Matta-Sendek-Xavier, Butler, NC State coaching tree.
mattcoldagelli
- The Transfer Portal with Do Not Contact Tag
Buyouts do not usually work this way, it would be very unusual. UI paid full buyout to Weber despite getting a high paid job right away.
Being someone who works at VCU (and understanding the A10 culture to some degree) I am convinced that John Groce would actually be a great fit at Dayton. I don't think they really want him as he is not the name they are looking for, but he could definitely succeed there. The A10 has a few good teams at the top, but those teams struggle against P5 schools. Look at VCU this year - lost badly to our Illini on a neutral court and lost at home to an average Georgia Tech team. Yet VCU still comfortably secured a bid to the tourney. Groce is a good recruiter, a great person, knows Ohio, and could do well against that competition while at least knowing the battles of playing Big 10 schools. I like the fit and wish Groce the best - give Groce a great X's & O's guy on his staff and he can do well.
Nothing bad to say about Groce here, but I am loving our new coach already and am expecting great things!
Nothing bad to say about Groce here, but I am loving our new coach already and am expecting great things!
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Depends on the language, but I doubt Groce's liability is waived/reduced, especially since Whitman specifically mentioned the obligation on the remaining of his contract. I remember the discussion when Iowa wanted to part ways with Kirk Ferentz, but his guaranteed contract was a huge inhibitor. On the other hand, I believe Lon Kruger had some reduced/waived provisions if he accepted a HC position right away, thus he opted for an assistant's position with the Knicks before attempting to return to college as HC.
Correct, in the case of Groce, his compensation would be reduced.
I think this is also what happened with Lovie. His buyout from the Bucs was offset by what we paid him, which is why he hired him at such a "low" salary. I'm pretty sure he wanted to stick it to the Bucs.
If Groce wants to stick it to us for any reason (doesn't seem to be his style though), he could take a mid/low major job for like 200k and really save a school some money on its head coach.
TownieMatt
CU Expat
- Chicago
Just can't see Groce getting that Dayton job. Crean makes a lot more sense to me. I think Crean could be really successful there.
I think the pride factor will keep Crean from taking the Dayton job. By all accounts he feels like he got a raw deal at IU and Dayton is a big fall for his ego. If he waits a year or so he can get a lower tiered P5 job
Doesn't "felt like he got a raw deal" describe the last three IU coaching departures?
Thanks for posting documentation to support my post.
I never, well almost never, post something I can't support as 100% factual.
haasi
- New York
There's nothing unusual about an off-set. But it does look like coach's duty to mitigate can vary.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...y-database-contract-buyout-language/92712348/
Crean:
hooraybeer
- Pittsburgh, PA
is NW trying to lock collins up long term? give him enough money and he should be set, barring K retiring