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the ole ball coach
when is the last time , in Football or Mens Basketball, that a currently employed BigTen coach has poached by another school in the conference ?

I believe there is a "gentlemen's agreement" to not do that. We are not the SEC
 
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st petersburg, fl
when is the last time , in Football or Mens Basketball, that a currently employed BigTen coach has poached by another school in the conference ?

I believe there is a "gentlemen's agreement" to not do that. We are not the SEC
At least in basketball, when was the last time a big ten coach was “poached” to another school outside the conference (ie at least a lateral if not a promotion hire without having a foot out the door already in the current school)? Belein is the most recent I can think of, but that was to the nba. Before that....self? Seems like it doesn’t happen in general to big ten basketball coaches.

football I haven’t thought through fully yet. Beilema? O’Brien (though I think he had a hiatus before becoming an nfl coach)?
 
#778      
st petersburg, fl
At least in basketball, when was the last time a big ten coach was “poached” to another school outside the conference (ie at least a lateral if not a promotion hire without having a foot out the door already in the current school)? Belein is the most recent I can think of, but that was to the nba. Before that....self? Seems like it doesn’t happen in general to big ten basketball coaches.

football I haven’t thought through fully yet. Beilema? O’Brien (though I think he had a hiatus before becoming an nfl coach)?
I guess it could potentially happen to pj fleck. Maybe fitz but I’m guessing he’s only leaving nw for the nfl. Would’ve probably happened to kill if he didn’t have his health issues. But all those are speculation.
 
#779      
Cost of living out of sight. Traffic now worse than Dallas or Houston. Boosters always up your a**. Housing market highest around. Don’t think it is paradise anymore like it was 25 years ago.
Same with Southern Ca....great place 15 years ago...but not a destination now. Apple built that giant Austin complex, now it's insane traffic and crazy.
 
#781      
No one knows if his success will extend beyond Krutwig.
This has been stated so many times, but I feel it is a bit unfair. Was Krutwig a polished HS prospect when he arrived? Did he singlehandedly lead the to a Final Four? Was he the only person on the court when they shellac'd us?

Is it fair to say we shouldn't be sold on Underwood's success extending beyond Ayo or Kofi? His tourney record with Illini is 1-1 WITH them.

What you say is true... "No one knows" the future, but he is building a consistency that is getting harder to ignore and is certainly more "proof" than Underwood has given us.
 
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#782      
This has been stated so many times, but I feel it is a bit unfair. Was Krutwig a polished HS prospect when he arrived? Did he singlehandedly lead the to a Final Four? Was he the only person on the court when they shellac'd us?

Is it fair to say we shouldn't be sold on Underwood's success extending beyond Ayo or Kofi? His tourney record with Illini is 1-1 WITH them.

What you say is true... "No one knows" the future, but he is building a consistency that is getting harder to ignore and is certainly more "proof" than Underwood has given us.
Krutwig developed under Moser and there were good pieces around him, but I feel like this stretch is a perfect storm for Moser.
Since we are comparing... Underwood took SFA to the NCAA Tournament 3 times (with 2 wins) and Oklahoma State once. 4 seasons as a D1 head coach with 4 NCAA Tournament trips before getting to Illinois. Before Krutwig arrived at Loyola, Moser had been a D1 head coach for 13 seasons and never finished better than 5th in their conference (Sun Belt, Horizon, Missouri Valley). Only postseason appearance was 1 trip to the CBI, which they did win.
I shouldn't be so hard on his resume, but you have to at least look at it. Please don't compare Underwood with Moser.
 
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Is it fair to say we shouldn't be sold on Underwood's success extending beyond Ayo or Kofi? His tourney record with Illini is 1-1 WITH them.

I think Underwood became successful for 2 specific reasons:

#1. His defense changed. First 2 years, we gambled for steals and fouled a bunch. That style had no chance to be successful. Credit to him he changed it.
#2. Obviously gigantic talent upgrades - Curbelo, Miller, Ayo, Kofi.

If Underwood goes back to the defense we played his first 2 years after his rim protector Kofi leaves, then we won't be successful. If we don't keep the talent coming in, we don't be successful.

I don't think Underwood is the type of coach where you care confident he wins regardless of the players. I've seen too many red flags in his first two years to believe that.
 
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Krutwig developed under Moser and there were good pieces around him, but I feel like this stretch is a perfect storm for Moser.
Since we are comparing... Underwood took SFA to the NCAA Tournament 3 times (with 2 wins) and Oklahoma State once. 4 seasons as a D1 head coach with 4 NCAA Tournament trips before getting to Illinois. Before Krutwig arrived at Loyola, Moser had been a D1 head coach for 13 seasons and never finished better than 5th in their conference (Sun Belt, Horizon, Missouri Valley). Only postseason appearance was 1 trip to the CBI, which they did win.
I shouldn't be so hard on his resume, but you have to at least look at it. Please don't compare Underwood with Moser.
My post was less of a comparison of coaches and more of comparison of what we are evaluating them for. So I was using Underwood as a bit of a measuring stick.

This being said, it is nauseating how many times the media is still referencing how dominant Loyola's win was from start to finish and how Illinois had no answer on either end. That comparison is apples to apples.
 
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Cost of living out of sight. Traffic now worse than Dallas or Houston. Boosters always up your a**. Housing market highest around. Don’t think it is paradise anymore like it was 25 years ago.
I was in Raleigh Durham recently and talked with someone who had just moved to Durham from Austin. She really railed on Austin...how bad the traffic was, how long it took to get anywhere, real estate...kind of everything really. I was pretty surprised since Austin has been the poster child for hip cities. She had lived there 19 yrs and was really in love with Durham vs Austin
 
#789      
@SethDavisHoops
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I know the game just ended but if Porter Moser is going to Indiana (as I expect) then Krutwig and Williamson could transfer there and play next season. Just sayin.
 
#793      
Tennessee
Usually P6 schools hire a HC with different qualifications from what they previously hired.

For instance, you don't hire a mid-major HC to replace a coach who was a mid-major HC before the P6 university hired him. You hire a former pro HC or at least a current pro assistant.

Likewise, you don't hire a former pro HC to replace a coach who was a former pro HC before the P6 university hired him.

It looks like IN no longer has the standing to hire a successful P6 HC away from another school.
 
#797      
Same with Southern Ca....great place 15 years ago...but not a destination now. Apple built that giant Austin complex, now it's insane traffic and crazy.
TX boosters just buy the coach a mansion in the hills with a helicopter pad...what is the problem?
 
#798      
Been in Austin since 2010. Traffic sucked then too. People here don’t know how to drive in it and the infrastructure is not designed to handle the growth.

Besides that, it’s a great place to live. The benefit of a growing city is a TON of stuff is just brand new and beautiful, to go along with the awesome natural beauty of the area. Coaches are gonna be on the road at 5 in the morning and 8 at night so they’re not gonna have to deal with traffic. Been through the practice facilities quite a few times and they are great. A new stadium is coming. The talent in Houston and Dallas is serious, and for my money Texas is the most athletic state in the country.

BUT, UT doesn’t give a damn about basketball. As I said in a previous post, the culture around UT Athletics is kind of disgusting. I’d be shocked if Beard came even as a UT guy. I told my friend John Belein when the Shaka rumors started. But right now I bet Royal Ivey is the best they’ll do, and they won’t even care.
 
#799      
the ole ball coach
there is not a coach in college basketball I feel like will win regardless of players. Although there are coaches I believe will lose regardless of players
Bum Philips about Bear Bryant : He can take his'n and beat your'n, then he can take your'n and beat his'n.
 
#800      
there is not a coach in college basketball I feel like will win regardless of players. Although there are coaches I believe will lose regardless of players
Rick Pitino might be the closest thing
 
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