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I do believe BB’s failure at Arkansas and his time in the NFL has really humbled him. With two young children, he’s ready to lay some roots in a community and university that will take care of him and his family.
If he continues this ascension of success, he will be here a while, comparable or even more as his time in Madison.
 
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Mr. Tibbs

southeast DuPage
The best ADs in America have made bad choices. See Smith, Lovie.

If you've got the right guy, you probably ought to overpay to keep him.
I understand that logic, and am not saying its wrong
but honestly, money alone is seldom the only, or even the main reason, people (or coaches) leave

its the 25 little things along the way you need to do , as a boss, to keep your guys happy. Lord knows I have learned that the hard way. Learn and adapt.
Guenther never learned that. I really think Self was looking for a reason to leave, besides money, when he finally did. Guenther gave him plenty
 
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I love coach B and everything he has done since he set foot on campus.. that being said, we need him to win 8 or more games first before we have this conversation or worry about anyone poaching him. Put me in the camp of welcoming the Coach Underwood to K-State talk last year :hailtotheorange:
Always reminds me of Jack's interview about Tiger passing his majors record, from a 2015 interview:

On whether he thinks Woods will still eclipse his 18 major championships

Jack Nicklaus – “I still do. Why would I not think that?… He’s got a lot of golf in front of him. But it’s going to be up to him, he’s still got to do it. He may, he may not. Obviously chances are harder for him now than five years ago, but I still think he has time on his side.”
 
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illini80

Forgottonia
I understand that logic, and am not saying its wrong
but honestly, money alone is seldom the only, or even the main reason, people (or coaches) leave

its the 25 little things along the way you need to do , as a boss, to keep your guys happy. Lord knows I have learned that the hard way. Learn and adapt.
Guenther never learned that. I really think Self was looking for a reason to leave, besides money, when he finally did. Guenther gave him plenty
I don’t know that Self was looking for a reason to leave, but no way he was turning down the Kansas job and Kansas was going to pay whatever it took. It’s pretty obvious Self wasn’t going to be hamstrung by an AD that insisted on following the letter of the law when it comes to recruiting. I wonder if the NCAA would have given us the death penalty if Self did what he did at Kansas here. They would have come down hard without a doubt. And it’s been long known what was happening there before the FBI blew the lid on it.
 
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pruman91

Paducah, Ky
I don’t know that Self was looking for a reason to leave, but no way he was turning down the Kansas job and Kansas was going to pay whatever it took. It’s pretty obvious Self wasn’t going to be hamstrung by an AD that insisted on following the letter of the law when it comes to recruiting. I wonder if the NCAA would have given us the death penalty if Self did what he did at Kansas here. They would have come down hard without a doubt. And it’s been long known what was happening there before the FBI blew the lid on it.
And KU still won a NCAA title last year.....Who says cheating isn't rewarded.................Townsend is the poster boy for bagmen before it became legal.........

NCAA is and has been a laughingstock for so many years now.............It really really is.........................
 
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#332      
I heard that also

why in the world would he do that ?

he either needs an attorney or needs a new attorney
My guess is that the $19 million came with certain caveats — most likely it would be contingent upon him not landing another P5 job and/or paid out over an extended period of time. By agreeing to reduce it to $11 million, he gets that amount paid in full by February next year and likely can work somewhere else and keep it all.
 
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I am sure the pressure to win was crazy.

Add in Covid-19 seasons, the transfer portal, NIL$ and Chryst said to himself its not fun anymore. I have plenty of money. If I want to keep coaching I can go be an offensive coordinator at another P5 school and make $1M-$2M a year and not have deal with this.


Maybe do some ESPN commentary for a year.
He doesn’t strike me as the commentator type. He’s a bit of a Mumbly Joe.
 
#334      
Paul Chryst was eligible to get 85% of his remaining salary which would have been $20 million and change. If he agreed to that it would have came in either one or two payments. Chryst accepted the $11 million and has to be paid that no later than February 1st.

He could have taken the $20 million but Wisconsin could have deducted future Division 1 or professional football wages from his contract over years. Taking the $11 million works out for both sides. Chryst can now coach wherever $11 million richer with a clean contract slate and not have to worry about all the legal jargon. Chryst will have no problem landing a PS5 job if he so chooses.
 
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ILLINIShox24

Orange Krush '04 & '05
Paul Chryst was eligible to get 85% of his remaining salary which would have been $20 million and change. If he agreed to that it would have came in either one or two payments. Chryst accepted the $11 million and has to be paid that no later than February 1st.

He could have taken the $20 million but Wisconsin could have deducted future Division 1 or professional football wages from his contract over years. Taking the $11 million works out for both sides. Chryst can now coach wherever $11 million richer with a clean contract slate and not have to worry about all the legal jargon. Chryst will have no problem landing a PS5 job if he so chooses.
I looked through Chryst's background a bit and seems he has been a TE coach, QB coach, and OC. I was wondering whether there would ever be a day where he would join BB's staff and what he would bring to it. But you're right, probably not worth considering when he has the resume to get another head job if he wants it.
 
#337      
I don’t know that Self was looking for a reason to leave, but no way he was turning down the Kansas job and Kansas was going to pay whatever it took. It’s pretty obvious Self wasn’t going to be hamstrung by an AD that insisted on following the letter of the law when it comes to recruiting. I wonder if the NCAA would have given us the death penalty if Self did what he did at Kansas here. They would have come down hard without a doubt. And it’s been long known what was happening there before the FBI blew the lid on it.
It doesn't appear Self followed the spirit of the law, either. Let's not gloss that over.
 
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Mr. Tibbs

southeast DuPage
I looked through Chryst's background a bit and seems he has been a TE coach, QB coach, and OC. I was wondering whether there would ever be a day where he would join BB's staff and what he would bring to it. But you're right, probably not worth considering when he has the resume to get another head job if he wants it.
Colorado could do a lot worse with their next HC hire than Paul Chryst, imo .

Rick George should at a minimum give him a phone call
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
Colorado could do a lot worse with their next HC hire than Paul Chryst, imo .

Rick George should at a minimum give him a phone call
You want someone who has a good plan that's a good fit and is going to hire a great staff toward that outcome.

Chryst sorta lucked into Leonhard after losing Dave Aranda to a lateral DC move, kept Joe Rudolph way past his sell by date and then hired Bobby Engram from out of left field to replace him with disastrous results.

Does Wisky-ball work in the Pac-12? It sure didn't when Gary Andersen went to Oregon State.

The harder I look at that resume, the less I see. That may be unfair, but I don't see him as a slam-dunk for another P5 job like I do with Herman or Dan Mullen.

Gary Patterson is another guy I could kinda go either way on, but that feels like maybe more of a Colorado fit.
 
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You want someone who has a good plan that's a good fit and is going to hire a great staff toward that outcome.

Chryst sorta lucked into Leonhard after losing Dave Aranda to a lateral DC move, kept Joe Rudolph way past his sell by date and then hired Bobby Engram from out of left field to replace him with disastrous results.

Does Wisky-ball work in the Pac-12? It sure didn't when Gary Andersen went to Oregon State.

The harder I look at that resume, the less I see. That may be unfair, but I don't see him as a slam-dunk for another P5 job like I do with Herman or Dan Mullen.

Gary Patterson is another guy I could kinda go either way on, but that feels like maybe more of a Colorado fit.
As an Oregon State fan, Anderson had much bigger issues than trying to play Wisky ball. And he was at Wisconsin for two years. Not sure I’d call what he brought to Corvallis Wisky ball.
 
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Mr. Tibbs

southeast DuPage
You want someone who has a good plan that's a good fit and is going to hire a great staff toward that outcome.

Chryst sorta lucked into Leonhard after losing Dave Aranda to a lateral DC move, kept Joe Rudolph way past his sell by date and then hired Bobby Engram from out of left field to replace him with disastrous results.

Does Wisky-ball work in the Pac-12? It sure didn't when Gary Andersen went to Oregon State.

The harder I look at that resume, the less I see. That may be unfair, but I don't see him as a slam-dunk for another P5 job like I do with Herman or Dan Mullen.

Gary Patterson is another guy I could kinda go either way on, but that feels like maybe more of a Colorado fit.
if Patterson is up for a 5 year committment, hes a no brainer for CU. Not sure hes up for that though
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
As an Oregon State fan, Anderson had much bigger issues than trying to play Wisky ball. And he was at Wisconsin for two years. Not sure I’d call what he brought to Corvallis Wisky ball.
I mean maybe old school ground-and-pound is the right thing to do at that school, you'd have to make that assessment. Or maybe Chryst would want to change his philosophy. You do the assessment in the hiring process. But the fit seems weird to me at a glance.

if Patterson is up for a 5 year committment, hes a no brainer for CU. Not sure hes up for that though
I mean that kind of reveals the problem. Patterson was at the absolute pinnacle of the profession in a way his loyalty to TCU kind of belies. He could have had any job out there in 2010.

But it's not 2010, and both football and program management are EXTREMELY different than they were then, and as ugly as TCU tossing a heroically loyal legend in the dumpster like that was, they did it for a reason and look better off today for it.

Again, these are assessments you need to make. With close inspection and lots of information we as fans aren't privy to.
 
#344      
I mean maybe old school ground-and-pound is the right thing to do at that school, you'd have to make that assessment. Or maybe Chryst would want to change his philosophy. You do the assessment in the hiring process. But the fit seems weird to me at a glance.


I mean that kind of reveals the problem. Patterson was at the absolute pinnacle of the profession in a way his loyalty to TCU kind of belies. He could have had any job out there in 2010.

But it's not 2010, and both football and program management are EXTREMELY different than they were then, and as ugly as TCU tossing a heroically loyal legend in the dumpster like that was, they did it for a reason and look better off today for it.

Again, these are assessments you need to make. With close inspection and lots of information we as fans aren't privy to.
It has worked fine for Utah in the PAC 12. Maybe not strictly ground and pound, but a balanced offense. They had about the same amount of yards on the ground as they did in the air last year.
 
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Mr. Tibbs

southeast DuPage
He could have had any job out there in 2010.

But it's not 2010, and both football and program management are EXTREMELY different than they were then, and as ugly as TCU tossing a heroically loyal legend in the dumpster like that was, they did it for a reason and look better off today for it.

Again, these are assessments you need to make. With close inspection and lots of information we as fans aren't privy to.
there is almost ALWAYS a backstory to these things. just as Chryst's quick firing and quick settlement undoubtedly has a backstory . We will likely never hear the truth

yea, in 2010-2014, Patterson was being mentioned for high profile jobs every fall, and he was loyal to TCU , never even pretending to be interested
 
#347      
Tom Herman
OC at Ohio State for Urban Meyer national champs. When you have that much talent it is hard not to look good.
2 very good seasons at Houston 13-1 (beat P5 schools Louisville, Vanderbuilt and Florida State) and 9-3 (P5 wins Oklahoma and Louisville).
Was mediocre at Texas 7-6,10-4, 8-5, and 7-3. Avg 8 wins per season. Mack Brown was at Texas for 16 years and averaged 9.8 wins per season.
Did 1 year with Bears as special assistant to Matt Nagy. Did not set the world on fire.
He has coached in state of Texas since 2004 (excluding 3 years in Columbus) so he could probably recruit there for Nebraska. Grew up and attended college in SoCal.

Bill O'Brien did OK at Penn State 8-4, 7-5 under difficult circumstances. Made playoffs 4 out of 6 years at Houston Texans. Not sure he wants to go back to college coaching.

Texas A&M could be looking for a new coach at the end of the season. That might be more attractive to O'Brien.
Considering he is currently coaching College football…I’d say he is probably open to it
 
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If Wisconsin continues to nosedive this season (short term), or if 67 year old Ferenz of Iowa ever decides to retire (longer term), I would think they would at least consider offering the HC job to Coach B. He left Wisconsin with a great record and a solid support base, and played for and coached at Iowa. Wisconsin would not let any ill feelings they hold about Coach B's sudden departure deter them from trying to lure him back to restore the luster to their program, and you always have warm feelings about the team you played for and that gave you your start in coaching (Iowa). I trust our AD is doing everything possible to ensure a long and happy stay for Coach B at Illinois. After several decades, we finally have a great man and outstanding coach leading our football program.
The Iowa coaching change is going be very similar to Kansas states when Snyder retired
 
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Being loyal does not stop you from being terminated as soon as you start to produce less. Ask Lou Henson.

Its hard to say what offensive style wins. Most teams mix RPO with shotgun. Air Raid type offense is less popular than 10 years ago. Almost nobody runs wishbone, veer etc except service academies.

It will interesting to see what type of coach is in the vogue this year.
 
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mhuml32

Cincinnati, OH
there is more to that story

why leave 9 million, or even 1 million, on the table ? especially as it was just agreed to last year

and had I given money to the UW Foundation, supposedly for academic purposes , I would be very upset

The "$20 million owed" is counting up a lot of value from sweeteners (country club membership, expected merit raises, etc.) that vanished and he wouldn't have received after being terminated. Look at it as him giving up $5 million to get paid in six months instead of over a five-year period, plus UW won't pester him for offset language if he gets a head job elsewhere (ironic because that's the language which got Bielema in hot water with Arkansas and caused grumbling from the Bucs when Lovie's first year salary at Illinois was much lower than the rest of his contract).
 
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