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Big Jack
- Decatur
Can't help but not like the guy. wish Josh could help get him a HC job at UIC or some college to get prepared for the next step.
That whole crowd would love to see Josh's list he keeps if anything were to happen ...
Big surprise ... They yell just as much and in some cases more ...
sacraig
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False. No other coach does or has ever yelled as much as Brad Underwood. Or so say the posters here who have clearly never been coached.That whole crowd would love to see Josh's list ...
Big surprise ... They yell just as much and in some cases more ...
Big Jack
- Decatur
False. No other coach does or has ever yelled as much as Brad Underwood. Or so say the posters here who have clearly never been coached
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
To what? Save our rich donors’ money?
We’re the state flagship for the biggest state in the Midwest, not Iowa State. Open the checkbook and pay him anything.
That’s today. Just wait until they pound Michigan. Will be ready to extend him again.
I’m sorry, but I’m not ready for this yet.
For the record, all coaches have flaws and the purpose of a message board like this is to discuss them. I’m one of those people, and it doesn’t mean I‘m advocating a coaching change.
Bill Self failed to advance to 2nd weekend of tourney 7 of 18 seasons at Kansas every season being a top 4 seed with regional protection. You could do this exercise for every single coach.
Bill Self also has a couple of national championships ... Four final 4s ... 16 of his years at Kansas they have won the league ... 9 years they have won the Big 12 tourney ... His career record is 579-129 ... That's right around 82% ... And at Allen, he's 292-16 which is around 95% ...
Talking about one of the elite coaches to ever do it ... The tournament is more about the draw than anything else ... But what Self has done in terms of a career stacks up as one of the best of all time ... Pretty tough to point out many flaws with him ... But maybe that's just me ...
I do not think that agents, NIL, and portal have been kind to BU. The older system conforms to his style/thinking better - IMVVHO. It is challenging to get "everyday guys" in a portal. Or, how does one negotiate "culture" in a NIL contract?
I love Brad but thinking Texas would be wanting a 60 year old who hasn't made it past the round of 32 is completely insane to me.
It just doesn't make sense. They can get whoever they want how would that be the route? Might be just me hoping he stays FWIW.
It just doesn't make sense. They can get whoever they want how would that be the route? Might be just me hoping he stays FWIW.
Yeah, of course. It's Brad...right?
What I've noticed is that there is a strong correlation between consistently dominating your conference and winning in March. Below are the conference records of select coaches at only their power conference schools, excluding the first season at a school if it was bad to account for taking over a bad program.
These are the 16 "modern" coaches with 3 or more Final Four appearances, 4 recent successful Big Ten coaches, and Brad Underwood.
The best coaches all win in their conference a lot, rarely have a down year, and two down years in a row in their prime is almost unheard of.
By this metric, if you grouped coaches based on this WIN % it may not be perfect, but I think it comes out mostly fair:
>70% = Elite
65-70% = Great
60-65% = Good
55-60% = Above Average
50-55% = Average
*Note that Brad is 4th of 14 current Big Ten coaches using this criteria.
These are the 16 "modern" coaches with 3 or more Final Four appearances, 4 recent successful Big Ten coaches, and Brad Underwood.
The best coaches all win in their conference a lot, rarely have a down year, and two down years in a row in their prime is almost unheard of.
By this metric, if you grouped coaches based on this WIN % it may not be perfect, but I think it comes out mostly fair:
>70% = Elite
65-70% = Great
60-65% = Good
55-60% = Above Average
50-55% = Average
*Note that Brad is 4th of 14 current Big Ten coaches using this criteria.
NAME | WINS | LOSSES | GAMES | WIN % |
Bill Self | 309 | 80 | 389 | 79.43 |
John Calipari | 184 | 59 | 243 | 75.72 |
Roy Williams | 373 | 127 | 500 | 74.60 |
Dean Smith | 357 | 129 | 486 | 73.46 |
Lute Olsen | 403 | 151 | 554 | 72.74 |
Coach K | 460 | 185 | 645 | 71.32 |
Eddie Sutton | 340 | 149 | 489 | 69.53 |
Tom Izzo | 322 | 151 | 473 | 68.08 |
Rick Pitino | 243 | 114 | 357 | 68.07 |
Jay Wright | 237 | 114 | 351 | 67.52 |
Bobby Knight | 406 | 200 | 606 | 67.00 |
Billy Donovan | 195 | 99 | 294 | 66.33 |
Nolan Richardson | 169 | 86 | 255 | 66.27 |
Jim Calhoun | 273 | 150 | 423 | 64.54 |
Ben Howland | 196 | 118 | 314 | 62.42 |
Jim Boeheim | 406 | 247 | 653 | 62.17 |
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Bo Ryan | 172 | 68 | 240 | 71.67 |
Matt Painter | 204 | 107 | 311 | 65.59 |
Thad Matta | 142 | 70 | 212 | 66.98 |
John Beilein | 156 | 108 | 264 | 59.09 |
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Brad Underwood | 61 | 37 | 98 | 62.24 |
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
^ I almost cannot judge Brad too much for 2018 or 2019 … we hired him to get us out of a canyon and onto a mountain peak, and I absolutely consider that. The last four seasons, even taking this one into the total, he’s been fantastic in the Big Ten.
I know, I know - the other guys have to have their whole tenure in there. And eventually there will be a big enough sample size at Illinois where I think it’s fair to include Brad’s whole numbers for my personal judging (maybe after next year or the year after?). The point is, our conference record over the last four seasons really does seem to suggest we should have a Sweet Sixteen … maybe we would have in 2020 without COVID.
I know, I know - the other guys have to have their whole tenure in there. And eventually there will be a big enough sample size at Illinois where I think it’s fair to include Brad’s whole numbers for my personal judging (maybe after next year or the year after?). The point is, our conference record over the last four seasons really does seem to suggest we should have a Sweet Sixteen … maybe we would have in 2020 without COVID.
They want Cal ... They have made that clear ...
The other candidates that I have heard about:
1. Jerome Tang ... Has told multiple people and members of his staff that he isn't interested in Texas ... Focused on K State
2. Eric Musselman ... Would be very interested and his buyout is very low (which is a factor because they're gonna owe Beard some $$), also has SEC experience which is a factor
3. Brad
Sean Miller could be a name but I've been told he isn't Del Conte biggest fan due to some things he has been told by AZ people and doesn't want to compete with football $$ or be in the SEC ...
We all know what's going on with Oats ... He got that extension and schools are steering clear now with all that is going on ...
I see Self all the time, always just shake my head at him. He reminds me that you always take the blue blood job. He is right, but I still shake my head. We were lucky to have him. Wish Roy would have just waited a few more years before bolting home.
Best toupee in the game as well
They went younger with Shaka and look what happened there.
Beard is 50. Not ancient, but not exactly a spring
chicken…and then we all know how that tuned out. It’s a crapshoot.Retro62
- North Bethesda, Maryland
I don't like his hair...piece.
Beaten to the punch line...but it deserves more than one mention. Wonder if he goes to Shatner's guy?
I'd look for him to first get a head job at a mid major in a few years.
You forgot guys having career games.Yeah but he rarely wins at 11 o’clock in the morning. Also, he yells and it really scares me.
Actually, the opponent player career games and early start (6 PM / 11 AM) poor performances is an Illini thing that predates BU.
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