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the national

the Front Range
Oh so that's allowed to be admitted again?

I'm old enough to remember when Matta not wanting the Illinois job was a load-bearing tenet of Guentherist-Weberist Thought.
At the time i even heard the rumor that he wasn’t qualified due to his lack of P5 experience (belittling his Butler/Xavier success). To be fair to those critics, he only had 4 yrs of head coaching experience before getting the OSU job. I thought he was a no-brainer for Illinois.

For ref, Weber only had 5yrs of HC experience when hired.
 
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I also think Collins leaving seems like ideal timing, just not sure there's a great destination for him. Georgetown is targeting better candidates. Places like Texas Tech seem like a bad spot for him AND a disappointing hire for the school. Notre Dame is the logical spot, would their fanbase feel underwhelmed with hiring Collins?

If they can keep the band together and add a shooter, it makes plenty of sense for him to give it one more year and make it known early you are looking to leave. A mid-tier ACC program would make a lot of sense. Maybe he could do the sacrilegious move and try to find a different job in the Big Ten, such as Wisconsin if they move on from Gard next year.
Boy I don't know, I think Collins is a very good coach. He's been more successful at NW than anyone has a right to be. I think he'd be highly successful at a real basketball school
 
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InDaAZ

Eugene, Oregon
Lon Kruger might be the most underrated coach in CBB modern history but Mike Anderson is also on that list.
I agree on Kruger…

But I watched a ton of SJ games this year (to see Curbelo), and coaching seemed to me to be their greatest weakness. Ton of talent there, but most times the team was freewheeling it out on the court. Perhaps he had players who wouldn’t listen… like some other team I won’t mention. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Whitmans Sampler

Eastern Iowa
Why hasn't Greg McDermott ever moved from Creighton???
I think Creighton is one of the more underrated coaching gigs actually. They’re in a great bball conference, don’t have a football program to share spotlight with, academics aren’t super strict. McDermott has a good thing going there, although a school like Texas is going to win a $$$ battle.
 
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Why hasn't Greg McDermott ever moved from Creighton???
My wife is from Omaha… that fan base is as rabid as they come. Always top 10 in national attendance. Nothing wrong with being one of the best teams year in and year out in the Big East. In my opinion certainly as good (better?) a situation as a mid level team in B10, ACC, B12 etc. money is the only thing that could be better. He definitely accepts lower comp than he could get.
 
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If I'm Terry and I don't get the job I would be surprised...also wouldn't Texas Tech be a great fallback...
 
#438      

the national

the Front Range
Passed on his son!?!? And missed on Barnes and that was that for him.
He was a joke at ISU. I was there in that stretch and he just seemed to be sleepwalking. Always felt like he made excuses why were weren’t top level, why it was hard to win at Iowa state. That really didn’t sit well with the fans and students. That’s why Hoiberg was so beloved (on top of his already built rockstar status). He won and it was that simple. McDermott on the other hand…it’s hard to win a fencing match with the wet noodle of a team he always put together.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
At the time i even heard the rumor that he wasn’t qualified due to his lack of P5 experience (belittling his Butler/Xavier success). To be fair to those critics, he only had 4 yrs of head coaching experience before getting the OSU job. I thought he was a no-brainer for Illinois.

For ref, Weber only had 5yrs of HC experience when hired.
Matta was by no means a sure thing at the time, and I don't recall him being a super prominent candidate of discussion (those were Crean who turned us down, Dana Altman and Rob Judson. Three wildly different alternate histories there).

But as an Illinois native who would soon thereafter begin dominating the Big Ten, it became very obvious after a few years that Matta would have been the right choice.

And what you would have read in a contemporaneous Loren Tate article or seen from "insiders" on long-gone message boards was that Matta would have laughed at the Illinois job because everyone knows the DIA is so hamstrung by its nationally singular inability to pay players or admit academically weak students that it's a miracle we even have the opportunity to have an X's and O's genius and moral conscience of the coaching profession like Bruce Weber.

Reading and getting angry about propaganda like that turned me into the sick maniac I am today, thanks RG!

(For real though, in both our coaching and administrative leadership and the new environment in college sports, Illinois is in just immeasurably better shape than it was 15 years ago and I would discourage folks here from taking that for granted.)
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
Did Crean turn us down as an actual response to our inquiries or just that weirdly preemptive public comment that he wasn't interested? :ROFLMAO:
Yeah, who knows. On the one hand he made a lot of sense at the time, coming off the D-Wade led Final Four at a then-CUSA Marquette. His stock had somewhat cooled or maybe stabilized is the better word when he took the Indiana job several years later.

But on the other hand I think there was something to the notion that RG was single-mindedly focused on someone who had "won't jump ship" vibes about them. Weber, Altman and Judson fit that bill, Crean doesn't.
 
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Ed Cooley to Georgetown surprises me. I guess money talks and maybe he thinks he can get better players there, but him at Providence was one of the better marriages in CBB.
Providence fans are hoping they can steal Pitino from St. John's, but I'm guessing there'll be no reunion there.
 
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Yeah, who knows. On the one hand he made a lot of sense at the time, coming off the D-Wade led Final Four at a then-CUSA Marquette. His stock had somewhat cooled or maybe stabilized is the better word when he took the Indiana job several years later.

But on the other hand I think there was something to the notion that RG was single-mindedly focused on someone who had "won't jump ship" vibes about them. Weber, Altman and Judson fit that bill, Crean doesn't.
Yeah, hindsight is 20/20, but I always found our obsession with "getting someone here for the long haul" really weird and depressing. I personally don't view Self leaving us for his dream job as any more of an indication that we were a "stepping stone job" than Roy leaving KU for UNC would signify that Kansas is a "stepping stone job." JMO and all, but I think it's extremely rare for a coach to either (A) be dead-set on retiring at Illinois the second he walks in the door or (B) dead-set on using us as a springboard to a so-called "better job." The vast majority will fall in the middle, IMO, realizing it COULD be a destination or it COULD be a "stepping stone" depending on a ton of factors. In other words, a very good job inherently but not a forever job inherently (if the latter even exists).

Now we are just totally into my personal opinion of jobs here, but I don't think there are that many tiers.
(1) Truly Elite
(2) Very Good/The "Next Level Down" Jobs
(3) The Vast Majority
(4) Disadvantaged Jobs

Truly Elite: Kentucky, North Carolina and Kansas
In an even a way that Duke and UCLA have not, these schools have proven to have unrivaled success under multiple coaches, incredible facilities, intense fan support/donors willing to step up and a nationwide spotlight that never seems to fade even when they're bad. I think these are probably the only schools that could reasonably look at a head coach at an Arizona, a Michigan, a UConn, etc. and think they have a good shot of swiping their coaches from them.

Very Good/The "Next Level Down" Jobs
This covers a very wide range of programs that I would roughly put in the following sub-categories:
(A) Historically elite programs that aren't quite in Tier 1 to programs (e.g., Indiana or UCLA). For example, UCLA has an insanely impressive history, but a coach who views himself as earning "Blue Blood" opportunities might get annoyed at the total lack of fan support compared to "pier programs" Kentucky/Kansas or the relative lack of national spotlight UCLA receives on the West Coast vs. North Carolina/Duke on the East Coast. On the flipside, a coach might get shivers looking up at Indiana's five NC banners in their nostalgic gym but be spooked off by their fans' unrealistic expectations and generally delusional attitudes - why not go have just as much of a chance at winning big at Ohio State with far less pressure to deliver immediately from fans?
(B) Somewhat lacking in "built-in advantages" but have a great history of winning (e.g., Arkansas or Kansas State). On one hand, this type of program has proven you can win big there, and they mostly have great fan support. On the other, the right coach can win anywhere, and is past success necessarily indicative of future success? Using those two as an example, you have fans that expect quite a lot but the instate talent you have access to is pretty weak.
(C) Great-but-not-elite history of winning but have some REALLY great "built-in advantages" (e.g., Illinois or Maryland). The fact these schools don't have even more historical success is arguably IN SPITE of how good the job is, not because it's lacking. Stocked with instate talent (where even getting your third and fourth choices is a huge win), proof of success under multiple coaches in recent history, a large/passionate fan base that will still give you more patience than the Indianas of the world and facilities as good as almost anywhere else.
(D) Schools who lack the historic success of others in this Tier but have a potentially VERY bright future (e.g., Texas or Florida). Whether it's bad luck or just a historical lack of resources channeled to hoops, these schools have way more potential than they've ever realized - even more than the (C) group above. I know some will take issue with Florida on here, but they really only ever carried any sort of "elite" run while one player was there. They've been a great program (as has Texas, to a lesser extent), but they have the resources and built-in advantages to be as elite as anyone in the country over the next several decades. Sometimes this type of job might be the biggest no-brainer on this list, as you'd have the resources necessary to outperform anyone in the country, but you would be doing it for a much more appreciative fan base.

The Vast Majority
This literally covers all of the "Power Five" jobs from Iowa to Auburn to Oregon to Creighton. These are fine jobs, and you can win games there if you're the "right guy." However, each is lacking something that could push it up a Tier.

Disadvantaged Jobs
This is a small list of schools where you could reasonably say it's "hard to win here." Northwestern immediately comes to mind - strict academic standards, a small/relatively apathetic alumni base, VERY few fans outside of that alumni base and a complete lack of historic success. Others could be Georgia Tech or Boston College.
 
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altgeld88

Arlington, Virginia
Ed Cooley to Georgetown surprises me. I guess money talks and maybe he thinks he can get better players there, but him at Providence was one of the better marriages in CBB.
So this means we've got a shot at Bryce Hopkins? ;) :ROFLMAO:

BTW, regarding Georgetown, I walk across that campus every Monday evening during spring semester. As I'm walking through the crosswalk directly across from the 140,000 square foot John Thompson Jr Intercollegiate Athletic Center, this is what I see through the entry doors. A bit of a cult of personality goin' on there. I wish Cooley well if he takes that job.

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