Conference Realignment

#3      

Joel Goodson

dawgville
I'll be pretty surprised if Washington, Oregon and Stanford sign away their media rights even for a relatively short time (~5 years).
 
#5      

DeonThomas

South Carolina
West:
USC
UCLA
Oregon
Washington
Cal
Stanford

Midwest:
Illinois
Wisconsin
Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern

Mideast:
Ohio St
Michigan
Michigan St
Indiana
Purdue
Notre Dame

East:
Penn State
Rutgers
Maryland
North Carolina
Duke (or Virginia or Ga Tech)
Clemson
 
#6      

DeonThomas

South Carolina
Football Schedule (9 conference games):
* 5 games vs division foes
* 2 games played between the two western divisions; (likewise, 2 games played between the two eastern teams)
* 2 games played across country, one vs each of the other two divisions

Basketball Schedule (19 conference games)
* 10 games vs division goes, home & away
* 3 games played against each of the other three divisions (3x3=9)
 
#7      
West:
USC
UCLA
Oregon
Washington
Cal
Stanford

Midwest:
Illinois
Wisconsin
Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern

Mideast:
Ohio St
Michigan
Michigan St
Indiana
Purdue
Notre Dame

East:
Penn State
Rutgers
Maryland
North Carolina
Duke (or Virginia or Ga Tech)
Clemson
M opinion with a few tweaks.

CO instead of Cal - Denver and CO have a rapidly growing population, and attract interest from surrounding states. A lot of traditional BIG alumni have moved there. Good school. Also, Cal is just a disaster.

Virginia is I think a solid IN, while Duke is a solid OUT. TV wise Duke footprint is redundant to NC. Their rivalry isn’t worth $100 million.

Clemson is also a solid out. Despite their success on the field Clemson has done poorly making money off of it. I don’t see the commercial value.

I think BIG would love to get some Florida market share and think Miami and FSU are likely candidates for a spot.
 
#9      
btw, I think if the BIG can pull that off they’re leaving scraps to the SEC. Who are the next best 8 teams SEC can add to keep up?
The Big Ten and SEC have already won. They don't need to expand anymore. They have all of the control they need already.

TV dollars are still driven from playing on the "main" channels until a streaming service joins the party. Just for arguments sake, assume there are three primary timeslots (noon, afternoon, and primetime), five main (CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, ESPN) channels and two lessor (ESPN2, BTN) channels today. This is 21 total timeslots. Give 8 to the Big Ten, 8 to the SEC, 1 to Notre Dame, and something to the ACC (already have ESPN deal). Adding more teams to these conferences will just push content to FS1, FS2, ESPNU, ESPNNEWS, etc or to a weekday. This assumes each of these channels even want to show college football instead of NASCAR, MLB playoffs, or a non-sports show. This also assumes you don't actually have more inventory because of non-conference schedules.

My assumption is that the Big Ten has the leverage now to say something along the lines of "If you want to show a game like Wisconsin vs. Iowa or Ohio St. vs. Nebraska in primetime then the lead-in afternoon game will be Indiana vs. Maryland or Purdue vs. Rutgers instead of Oklahoma St. vs. TCU and if you don't like it maybe your competitor station will.

*only a personal opinion...i reserve the right to change my mind tomorrow...
 
#10      
West:
USC
UCLA
Oregon
Washington
Cal
Stanford

Midwest:
Illinois
Wisconsin
Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern

Mideast:
Ohio St
Michigan
Michigan St
Indiana
Purdue
Notre Dame

East:
Penn State
Rutgers
Maryland
North Carolina
Duke (or Virginia or Ga Tech)
Clemson
I posted the exact same lineup in the previous thread, except I had Virginia and Florida State as the final two teams in the east.
 
#11      
The Big Ten and SEC have already won. They don't need to expand anymore. They have all of the control they need already.

TV dollars are still driven from playing on the "main" channels until a streaming service joins the party. Just for arguments sake, assume there are three primary timeslots (noon, afternoon, and primetime), five main (CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, ESPN) channels and two lessor (ESPN2, BTN) channels today. This is 21 total timeslots. Give 8 to the Big Ten, 8 to the SEC, 1 to Notre Dame, and something to the ACC (already have ESPN deal). Adding more teams to these conferences will just push content to FS1, FS2, ESPNU, ESPNNEWS, etc or to a weekday. This assumes each of these channels even want to show college football instead of NASCAR, MLB playoffs, or a non-sports show. This also assumes you don't actually have more inventory because of non-conference schedules.

My assumption is that the Big Ten has the leverage now to say something along the lines of "If you want to show a game like Wisconsin vs. Iowa or Ohio St. vs. Nebraska in primetime then the lead-in afternoon game will be Indiana vs. Maryland or Purdue vs. Rutgers instead of Oklahoma St. vs. TCU and if you don't like it maybe your competitor station will.

*only a personal opinion...i reserve the right to change my mind tomorrow...
I agree with you for the most part, but I think the real value these CFB teams provide to ESPN and FOX is that there are no pure streaming alternatives. Sure, you can buy YouTube TV or Hulu Live, but that’s just the bundled cable model via internet. You can’t just get the CFB version of NFL Sunday Ticket, or MLB.TV, etc.

Sports, and specifically NCAA sports since pro leagues offer their own TV-free streaming packages, are the final anchor keeping people subscribed to the bundled TV model. I think the BIG is trying to be as big an anchor as possible so that the value they provide to TV providers is keeping as much of the country subscribed to bundled deals. In that context I think expansion still makes sense, and the real competition is between the SEC and B1G to who will have the more valuable portfolio.
 
#12      

altgeld88

Arlington, Virginia
West:
USC
UCLA
Oregon
Washington
Cal
Stanford

Midwest:
Illinois
Wisconsin
Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern

Mideast:
Ohio St
Michigan
Michigan St
Indiana
Purdue
Notre Dame

East:
Penn State
Rutgers
Maryland
North Carolina
Duke (or Virginia or Ga Tech)
Clemson
Love it. And lol. That's only four fewer teams in the BT conference than the entire NFL had, and one more than the entire NBA had, in 1988 when I graduated from UIUC.
 
#13      
but that’s just the bundled cable model via internet. You can’t just get the CFB version of NFL Sunday Ticket, or MLB.TV, etc.

Sports, and specifically NCAA sports since pro leagues offer their own TV-free streaming packages, are the final anchor keeping people subscribed to the bundled TV model. I think the BIG is trying to be as big an anchor as possible so that the value they provide to TV providers is keeping as much of the country subscribed to bundled deals. In that context I think expansion still makes sense, and the real competition is between the SEC and B1G to who will have the more valuable portfolio.

It's an interesting situation that I don't expect to change. With all the different contracts around media rights, it seems unlikely that a fan can avoid having to purchase multiple viewerships to follow their team or league. Maybe it will consolidate at some point, but for now, it looks like the most revenue comes from splitting up games among different providers and seeing how much a fan will pay to get as many games as possible.
 
#15      
West:
USC
UCLA
Oregon
Washington
Cal
Stanford

Midwest:
Illinois
Wisconsin
Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern

Mideast:
Ohio St
Michigan
Michigan St
Indiana
Purdue
Notre Dame

East:
Penn State
Rutgers
Maryland
North Carolina
Duke (or Virginia or Ga Tech)
Clemson
I am not going to beef about your proposal.
I wonder if Cal and Stanford are redundant in the market. I realize long standing traditional rivals and all of that. This whole new paradigm is saying they don't care. They only want money and more of it.
What about taking Arizona to tap into the Phoenix market? The metroplex has been red hot for a while now. There a top 10 region now.
OSU, Michigan and ND? brutal. Logistically your divisions are correct. But ND to the East and bring back Rutgers maybe?
Will Clemson want to come to B1G? I've always felt they were more of a SEC type school.
Virginia over Duke unless they care about rivalry after all.
If Clemson doesn't join the B1G then perhaps it's both Duke and Virginia.
Then there is always getting a foot into the Florida market by anointing Florida State to be one of the chosen few.
 
#19      
Conference realignment rumors have officially entered the silly zone.

On the surface, this is a rumor that probably deserves very little credit. At the very least, it has about a 1% chance of ever happening.
No, on the surface and deep deep down inside there is a 0% chance that Minnesota walks away from the B1G. Even if they weren't a charter member. MSU, PSU and Maryland are not charter members. None of them would walk away from the upcoming payday to join a lesser conference.
 
#22      

Ransom Stoddard

Ordained Dudeist Priest
Bloomington, IL
If a team has to leave, let it be Indiana. :LOL:
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