Conference Realignment

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MoCoMdIllini

Montgomery County, Maryland
Nebraska faintly makes sense given their former place in the Big 8. I'm surprised they used Minnesota.
 
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Three signature games a week with Big Noon Kickoff, the former SEC on CBS window, and Saturday Night Football on NBC could be a really awesome package. You would have to figure we get one of these games 2 maybe 3 times a season (probably the CBS game having the lowest priority out of the three). Fill in the gaps with reliable coverage on FS1 and BTN and who needs ESPN.

Have to imagine though its probably more likely that a streaming partner is brought in instead of a Fox/CBS/NBC triumvirate. I'd probably also prefer it be Amazon or Apple rather than deal with the subpar Paramount+ or Peacock platforms.
 
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This could be interesting. Might this lead to more realignment?

The article sounds more like a marketing pitch that was made to the conference. With that much money at stake, the media partners will have a say in things for sure. Could be a lot of games and times the coaches would prefer to avoid, but that's life in the big leagues.

Someone said it earlier, but with Illinois having spent as much time in the lower half of the league, it's pretty amazing how valuable the conference affiliation is.
 
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Does the big ten put up a huge effort to get shoulder programming on NBC knowing that will keep ND out of the conference? Any possibility the SEC could get involved?
 
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Does the big ten put up a huge effort to get shoulder programming on NBC knowing that will keep ND out of the conference? Any possibility the SEC could get involved?
This is what I'm wondering, does the B1G partner with NBC and let them keep their Notre Dame deal, or does the B1G they play hard ball with NBC and try to push ND to the conference? Not sure if it matters in the long run though, ND has to join a conference at some point.

Maybe the B1G doing a deal with NBC, while letting them sign ND again will build some goodwill, and when the ACC implodes, it'll make ND's transition to the B1G smoother.
 
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This is what I'm wondering, does the B1G partner with NBC and let them keep their Notre Dame deal, or does the B1G they play hard ball with NBC and try to push ND to the conference? Not sure if it matters in the long run though, ND has to join a conference at some point.

Maybe the B1G doing a deal with NBC, while letting them sign ND again will build some goodwill, and when the ACC implodes, it'll make ND's transition to the B1G smoother.
Just because I love to see ND get bullied and brought down a peg I hope the B1G plays hardball.
 
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This is what I'm wondering, does the B1G partner with NBC and let them keep their Notre Dame deal, or does the B1G they play hard ball with NBC and try to push ND to the conference? Not sure if it matters in the long run though, ND has to join a conference at some point.

Maybe the B1G doing a deal with NBC, while letting them sign ND again will build some goodwill, and when the ACC implodes, it'll make ND's transition to the B1G smoother.
I don’t know how these tv deals work. Could ND get their own deal with NBC as a member of the BIG or would FOX/BIG say no way?
 
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IlliniKat91

Chicago, IL
I don’t know how these tv deals work. Could ND get their own deal with NBC as a member of the BIG or would FOX/BIG say no way?
I would bet that the conference, were they to join the Big Ten, would veto it. Otherwise you have a Texas situation which is awkward for the rest of the conference, particularly when you have OSU and Michigan (and maybe a few others) who could reasonably demand similar special treatment.

The B1G might also tell NBC it's us or ND doesn't join the fold, and I'd imagine we'd be the bigger prize from a dollars and cents stand point.

It seems like things are going to get tight for ND sooner rather than later.
 
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I would bet that the conference, were they to join the Big Ten, would veto it. Otherwise you have a Texas situation which is awkward for the rest of the conference, particularly when you have OSU and Michigan (and maybe a few others) who could reasonably demand similar special treatment.

The B1G might also tell NBC it's us or ND doesn't join the fold, and I'd imagine we'd be the bigger prize from a dollars and cents stand point.

It seems like things are going to get tight for ND sooner rather than later.
Oh yeah…Texas and the Longhorn network. Unequal revenue sharing does seem like a deal killer.

Maybe this is crazy talk, but could ND games air on NBC and all other BIG games air on FOX. Then the total revenue from both networks be equally shared across the conference members including ND?

This scenario might be too complex and/or someone still ends up with the raw end of the deal which kills it. I’m trying to imagine ways in which this could play out.
 
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IlliniKat91

Chicago, IL
Oh yeah…Texas and the Longhorn network. Unequal revenue sharing does seem like a deal killer.

Maybe this is crazy talk, but could ND games air on NBC and all other BIG games air on FOX. Then the total revenue from both networks be equally shared across the conference members including ND?

This scenario might be too complex and/or someone still ends up with the raw end of the deal which kills it. I’m trying to imagine ways in which this could play out.
Does Fox own NBC or vice versa? If they aren't partners of some sort, I don't see it happening. They'll want as much money as they can get, period.
 
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A few points as I understand it: NBC has ND locked up for a few more years at below market value; NBC would surely like to keep the deal they have and are going to be in no hurry to push ND to the B1G

B1G has been strictly equal share revenue for full time members, ND isn't getting into the big with there own TV deal

I imagine the big would be quite happy to sell all the ND games to NBC & as long as all the revenue goes into the same pot & that increases the pot size, then I bet they could make that happen.

The pressure to move has to be mounting on ND, with the new contract coming up it looks like ND will be way short on TV dollars to the B1G contract. Can they compete in the sports arm race at over a 50 million deficit? But they do have some GOR for non-football with ACC for a long time & some contractional obligation to join the ACC if they join any conference. So there are some legal hurdles that likely come down to $ in the end.
 
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I’ve posted this same sentiment in more detail in the other thread but since we have a new thread, and there are new developments -

I don't think ND has a real choice in the matter right now on anything beyond timing. They are in a terrible spot right now. They are paid $15 million from NBC and get a partial share from ACC. The ACC, I understand, will have the worst P5 TV deal.

In the mean time the Illini, as an example who have had one of the 10 worst P5 programs over the last 20 years, is slated to earn 3-5x what ND is slated to earn until 2025 when the ND NBC deal ends. Between now and 2025 the Illini could potentially earn $250 million MORE than ND from TV.

To make things worse for ND, their coach just left for LSU while publicly citing NDs outdated facilities and lack of investment as a primary reason. ND also has that albatross Grant of Rights deal that ties them to the worst P5 conference for the next 15 years.

ND needs the B10 (or SEC) more than either needs ND.

ND joining the ACC in 2012 as a partial member in order to get $15 million from NBC instead of joining BIG or SEC may end up as the worst decision their athletic program has ever made.
 
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I don't think ND has a real choice in the matter right now on anything beyond timing. They are in a terrible spot right now. They are paid $15 million from NBC and get a partial share from ACC. The ACC, I understand, will have the worst P5 TV deal. The whole ACC is in a terrible spot, much worse than ND that is at least able to cut a new football deal in a few years. Being tied into a long term TV deal that looks to be north of 80 million/year puts the total gap near 1 billion before the deal is over. Can even Clemson survive with that gap?

In the mean time the Illini, as an example who have had one of the 10 worst P5 programs over the last 20 years, is slated to earn 3-5x what ND is slated to earn until 2025 when the ND NBC deal ends. Between now and 2025 the Illini could potentially earn $250 million MORE than ND from TV.

To make things worse for ND, their coach just left for LSU while publicly citing NDs outdated facilities and lack of investment as a primary reason. ND also has that albatross Grant of Rights deal that ties them to the worst P5 conference for the next 15 years. Without being tied in Football, ND does at least get to renegotiate in a few years. When the new deal comes the question is more will it be competitive with the B1G/SEC. ND still has a lot of value, can they extract numbers close to the B1G in the new deal, with an every other Saturday deal vs. a network that is committed to rolling out all day college football. I sort of doubt it, but to me the bigger deal is how tied are they to the ACC, how how easily would it be to leave.

ND needs the B10 (or SEC) more than either needs ND.

ND joining the ACC in 2012 as a partial member in order to get $15 million from NBC instead of joining BIG or SEC may end up as the worst decision their pathletic program has ever made. I don't disagree, but I don't it really went down this way, I think ND had their TV contract & wanted to keep their football independence, they needed to find a home for basketball and everything else. The first mistake is the long term TV deal with NBC that started out very lucrative and has now become an albatross around their neck, doubling down on the GOR with ACC and some form of commitment to join the ACC if they join a conference in football was a separate mistake. With some level of fairness to ND, I think it should be noted that their was a lot of speculation that the B1G made a mistake by the shorter term TV deal & reopening first with all the speculation of the cable cutting bust that was coming. Right now that is looking like Delaney's last brilliant move if the B1G is roughly able to double Tier1 TV rights & likely gives the B1G a head up on everyone else including the SEC, although with the SEC adding Texas/OK maybe they have likely opened up the door to some renegotiation.
 
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I don't think ND has a real choice in the matter right now on anything beyond timing. They are in a terrible spot right now. They are paid $15 million from NBC and get a partial share from ACC. The ACC, I understand, will have the worst P5 TV deal. The whole ACC is in a terrible spot, much worse than ND that is at least able to cut a new football deal in a few years. Being tied into a long term TV deal that looks to be north of 80 million/year puts the total gap near 1 billion before the deal is over. Can even Clemson survive with that gap?
If hypothetically, Indiana fires Tom Allen next offseason and offers to triple Dabo Swinney's salary from 8.5 million to 25 million, does he make the jump? If not what level of school would he leave for, if any? If Dabo, or similar superstar coaches do leave the ACC/PAC10/BIG12 for a lot more money, that is tough to replace but if Dabo were to stay then Clemson is probably fine. Where does a BIG10 school spend this extra money to widen the gap from Clemson if not in taking coaches? You can only spend so much on a new weight room before there are diminishing returns on what you get or need.
 
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If hypothetically, Indiana fires Tom Allen next offseason and offers to triple Dabo Swinney's salary from 8.5 million to 25 million, does he make the jump? If not what level of school would he leave for, if any? If Dabo, or similar superstar coaches do leave the ACC/PAC10/BIG12 for a lot more money, that is tough to replace but if Dabo were to stay then Clemson is probably fine. Where does a BIG10 school spend this extra money to widen the gap from Clemson if not in taking coaches? You can only spend so much on a new weight room before there are diminishing returns on what you get or need.
Well, instead of asking boosters for money for the new weight room, you tell them you are all set on facilities, just pump money into NIL funds.
 
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Well, instead of asking boosters for money for the new weight room, you tell them you are all set on facilities, just pump money into NIL funds.
I get that boosters are already funneling money into NIL at all of these schools. My point is what can Illinois, as a university, making an assumed several ten's of millions per year more than Clemson use that money on? My understanding is that Illinois can't pay players or pay for NIL. If you can't buy Dabo Swinney or Luke Fickell with a dump truck full of money, does the money give that much of a competitive advantage, and if so, how? If Dabo stays at Clemson, I think Clemson survives just fine, and the discussion of the ACC being dead are premature.
 
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For emphasis - Brian Kelly leaving ND for LSU is only the 2nd in their 135 season to leave ND for greener pastures. Thomas Barry left for Wisconsin in 1908. ND is rapidly losing its luster in this new era.
On maters of "luster", you might wanna check recruiting rankings for the classes of '23 and '24.

Kelly hit HIS ceiling at ND, but ND has not hit ITS ceiling. Freeman is doing an incredible job on the recruiting trail.

When reporters recently asked Mike Brey about his pitch to recruits on what conference ND will play in....his response was "where ever we want"