Conference Realignment

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I get that boosters are already funneling money into NIL at all of these schools. My point is what can Illinois, as a university, making an assumed several ten's of millions per year more than Clemson use that money on? My understanding is that Illinois can't pay players or pay for NIL. If you can't buy Dabo Swinney or Luke Fickell with a dump truck full of money, does the money give that much of a competitive advantage, and if so, how? If Dabo stays at Clemson, I think Clemson survives just fine, and the discussion of the ACC being dead are premature.
I would hope every free cent of TV money we get that isn't being spent on other stuff - we seem relatively set on our coaching staff salaries and practice facilities - is going to fixing up Memorial Stadium. Recruits want to play in a cool stadium in front of packed crowds. We can't fix the crowd issue until we win games, but the horse shoe needed to be renovated yesterday, and the east balconies need retooled so that there are no seats under the overhang and that capacity can be shifted toward a SEZ renovation, IMO. I love the old lady as much as the next person, but I have heard from too many non-Illini fans that Memorial Stadium (specifically the horse shoe) just holds us back. And I kind of believe them.
 
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Shief

Champaign Area
I would hope every free cent of TV money we get that isn't being spent on other stuff - we seem relatively set on our coaching staff salaries and practice facilities - is going to fixing up Memorial Stadium. Recruits want to play in a cool stadium in front of packed crowds. We can't fix the crowd issue until we win games, but the horse shoe needed to be renovated yesterday, and the east balconies need retooled so that there are no seats under the overhang and that capacity can be shifted toward a SEZ renovation, IMO. I love the old lady as much as the next person, but I have heard from too many non-Illini fans that Memorial Stadium (specifically the horse shoe) just holds us back. And I kind of believe them.
It has been a while since I saw the numbers but the DIA is carrying some pretty good bond debt from the various building/renovation projects and those payments take up a good percentage of the annual budget. I would like to see facilities improved/expanded eventually but I'd support using the new revenues to pay down/off some of these completed projects first and then go from there.
 
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I would hope every free cent of TV money we get that isn't being spent on other stuff - we seem relatively set on our coaching staff salaries and practice facilities - is going to fixing up Memorial Stadium. Recruits want to play in a cool stadium in front of packed crowds. We can't fix the crowd issue until we win games, but the horse shoe needed to be renovated yesterday, and the east balconies need retooled so that there are no seats under the overhang and that capacity can be shifted toward a SEZ renovation, IMO. I love the old lady as much as the next person, but I have heard from too many non-Illini fans that Memorial Stadium (specifically the horse shoe) just holds us back. And I kind of believe them.
To clarify...I wasn't recommending that Illinois go buy a new coaching staff. I was just pondering the hypothetical of if there is now enough money in the SEC/Big10 that a Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Maryland, Indiana, really whoever, can go and buy a PAC10/ACC/BIG12 head coach just like they currently can go buy a group of 5 head coach.
 
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FWLIW, I'm good with that.
As a fan, as long as I can watch games I'm good. I do wonder if the conference will get less overall commentary/highlights, etc from ESPN if we never have games on ESPN's networks. On the other hand, ESPN seems very firmly in bed with the SEC so we're playing 2nd fiddle in a 2 conference orchestra anyway.
 
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Noting that I don't understand how any of this works, including what is meant by "late windows", but are we sure those will be "competition-free"? Couldn't the B10 structure their schedule to ensure at least one of the L.A. schools is at home each week, to fill a west coast prime time slot? And wouldn't that often be far more appetizing than what the Pac12 can offer, at least in terms of "national appeal"?
 
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Epsilon

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Any comments in the articles about what this means for Illini fans not in the Midwest? At least with ESPN I had a reliable place to watch games (even if it got pushed to ESPN U at the last second sometimes) but I am a bit concerned that if anything else locally (like a PAC 12 game) is playing too, that I might miss a few games in the season.

Edit: if I can still access all the games…, then I’m not bothered by the change.
 
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redwingillini11

White and Sixth
North Aurora
Any comments in the articles about what this means for Illini fans not in the Midwest? At least with ESPN I had a reliable place to watch games (even if it got pushed to ESPN U at the last second sometimes) but I am a bit concerned that if anything else locally (like a PAC 12 game) is playing too, that I might miss a few games in the season.

Edit: if I can still access all the games…, then I’m not bothered by the change.
I highly doubt that Fox, CBS, or NBC is going to be making any of their signature games (Big Noon for Fox, 3:30/2:30 for CBS, and primetime for NBC) limited to certain regional broadcast areas in the long run. Maybe Texas/Oklahoma might get Big Noon game while they are still in the Big XII, but otherwise it is incredibly unlikely any game outside of the B1G will take precedence for what is going to now be a national broadcast product. Its going to be a lot more like the primetime NFL windows where there is one game on the network than it is like the Sunday afternoon windows where there are multiple games on one network.

What this means is that any game on these network is going to be broadcast nationwide, available wherever you can access Fox, CBS, or NBC: tv, app, or streaming.

Now for Illinois, I'd assume that most games will either be on BTN or FS1, which is close to our status quo. So imo it should not get more difficult to watch Illinois football than it currently is, and, if anything, it should get easier.
 
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Any comments in the articles about what this means for Illini fans not in the Midwest? At least with ESPN I had a reliable place to watch games (even if it got pushed to ESPN U at the last second sometimes) but I am a bit concerned that if anything else locally (like a PAC 12 game) is playing too, that I might miss a few games in the season.

Edit: if I can still access all the games…, then I’m not bothered by the change.
I think we'll primarily be on BTN still moving forward if you can get that package. I'm out of state and use Hulu live which get BTN and was able to watch the Illini every weekend
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
How am I supposed to know how upset I’m supposed to be without Gritty here to paint a gruesome picture?
Mornin' fellas

It smells just a tad like this is a final gambit by the league to get ESPN to pony up, but maybe they won't.

Once the notion of NBC packaging ND with Big Ten games surfaced, which created the Fox-CBS-NBC Saturday Tripleheader concept, that always sounded like it was gonna be too sexy to turn away from. And in terms of its top-level football brand, that's freakin' great for the Big Ten, no two ways about it. As I said before, that 2:30 CBS slot is the penthouse real estate of the sport, and in getting NBC to create a new evening window they are actually expanding the territory for college football onto prime time of one of the three major networks. The visibility of those three games will be gigantic, I expect to see them competing very successfully at the top of the ratings charts with the flagship SEC broadcasts when that competition gets underway next year (that will be a big focus I bet, a Letterman vs Leno or Raw vs Nitro for college football).

One other thought: NBC getting a chunk, seems like ND is virtually inevitable.
In the short term it seems very much the opposite. ND and the Big Ten are being explicitly packaged as a doubleheader duo here for NBC. But over the longer term, if the Big Ten-NBC partnership is successful, ND joining the Big Ten starts to make a lot of financial and programming sense for NBC and the schools and conferences are ever more openly doing the bidding of the hands that feed them now.

Noting that I don't understand how any of this works, including what is meant by "late windows", but are we sure those will be "competition-free"? Couldn't the B10 structure their schedule to ensure at least one of the L.A. schools is at home each week, to fill a west coast prime time slot? And wouldn't that often be far more appetizing than what the Pac12 can offer, at least in terms of "national appeal"?
The Big Ten *could*, but its schools don't want to and the league doesn't have to given its position of strength elsewhere. The Pac 12's best game as a 9PM start is a nice after dinner mint for ESPN's prime time SEC game, in theory.

Anyway, I told you so that the Big12/Pac12's best option was to wait until the Big Ten finalized and left content-hungry players at the altar.

Just tracking the money, if $1 billion was the expectation before USC and UCLA, $1.14 billion would be the number just to keep the shares the same size per school. So that's a number to keep in your head.


It's important to note that there's apparently a fourth package going exclusively to a streamer. Totally spitballing I wonder if that would be a one game Thursday or Friday night exclusive package, or if it would be something bigger. Anyway, given the high profile of the rest of it, it's going to be annoying and of course Illinois will be scheduled in that game more than any other school, guaranteed.

So many other questions jump to mind

- How are the selections going to be done between Fox, CBS, and NBC?
- If Fox gets the best game (as seems to be everyone's assumption) are they making USC constantly play road games at 9AM PT? Surely they couldn't force them to play a home game then, right?
- Are CBS and NBC going to be getting any of the spare inventory to put on CBSSN (we better super duper hope not) or USA (the holding pen for former NBCSN content)? You'd imagine there will be tons on FS1, but is the BTN package getting bigger or smaller here?
- Whither Basketball? The pessimistic note you have to add here is that the move from ESPN to FS1 marks a tremendous downsizing of audience for the kinds of Big Ten basketball games Illinois now regularly plays. But there are more questions than answers there, FS1 was already showing Big Ten basketball regularly and with their other commitments they don't have the airtime to soak up everything ESPN was showing. Plus it's a 16 team league now. Regular showings on FS2 or CBSSN would be really disappointing.

For scale, ESPN paid $300 million per year to wrestle the SEC package away from CBS. Though that was before Texas and Oklahoma.

Anyway, looks like it's war with ESPN. That will be interesting for sure.
 
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redwingillini11

White and Sixth
North Aurora
Big Ten officials have asked schools to consider joining Iowa-Nebraska as a second Black Friday option, which now could be in play with USC and UCLA joining the league in 2024. To this point, all have declined.


I can understand teams not wanting to mess with Thanksgiving anymore than they already do. But if I were Illinois & Northwestern, or maybe even Purdue & Indiana, I would strongly consider making the jump to play on Black Friday. That Saturday is such a massive day for college football with huge matchups like Michigan-OSU, Alabama-Auburn, UF-FSU, UGA-GT, Clemson-SC, etc. dominating the conversation. Our game always gets lost, and, I'll even admit I'm having a hard time focusing on our game if there is a huge Michigan-OSU or Alabama-Auburn game on. Why not give ourselves the opportunity to be in the spotlight on a holiday?

If the answer is that we don't want to do that because the student section at Memorial Stadium will be empty on the day after Thanksgiving, guess what, it already is empty on Saturday. Just close the stupid NEZ section that weekend and pack everyone who comes down on the sidelines.

If we can't sell our recruits/players on a signature senior day experience in a huge game against our in-state rival because no one is at the game, let's sell them on having the spotlight on them on a holiday weekend when people can't get enough football.
 
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I can understand teams not wanting to mess with Thanksgiving anymore than they already do. But if I were Illinois & Northwestern, or maybe even Purdue & Indiana, I would strongly consider making the jump to play on Black Friday. That Saturday is such a massive day for college football with huge matchups like Michigan-OSU, Alabama-Auburn, UF-FSU, UGA-GT, Clemson-SC, etc. dominating the conversation. Our game always gets lost, and, I'll even admit I'm having a hard time focusing on our game if there is a huge Michigan-OSU or Alabama-Auburn game on. Why not give ourselves the opportunity to be in the spotlight on a holiday?

If the answer is that we don't want to do that because the student section at Memorial Stadium will be empty on the day after Thanksgiving, guess what, it already is empty on Saturday. Just close the stupid NEZ section that weekend and pack everyone who comes down on the sidelines.

If we can't sell our recruits/players on a signature senior day experience in a huge game against our in-state rival because no one is at the game, let's sell them on having the spotlight on them on a holiday weekend when people can't get enough football.
I agree with having the IL/NU game on Friday. Everyone is home, bored, and high school football is practically over. I'd even entertain talks with the Chicago Bears about having this as a neutral site game at the future Arlington Heights Stadium. The "newness" of that domed stadium should draw a far larger November crowd and spotlight.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
I agree with having the IL/NU game on Friday...I'd even entertain talks with the Chicago Bears about having this as a neutral site game at the future Arlington Heights Stadium.
That's actually a really good idea. Black Friday, temperature controlled, right next to Mom's house in the suburbs. If that doesn't draw a crowd for this game nothing will.
 
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On maters of "luster", you might wanna check recruiting rankings for the classes of '23 and '24.

Kelly hit HIS ceiling at ND, but ND has not hit ITS ceiling. Freeman is doing an incredible job on the recruiting trail.

When reporters recently asked Mike Brey about his pitch to recruits on what conference ND will play in....his response was "where ever we want"
Can’t dispute their recruiting just the financials, and speaking to the relative strength of the brand. Mike Brey can say that but it isn’t true. They are specifically tied to the ACC for another 15 years.

I also think you aren’t giving Kelly enough credit. For the 16 years between Lou Holtz last win in 1994 and Brian Kelly’s first season in 2010:
1 - 9 in Bowls
114 - 79 - 1 (.590) record

Since Brian Kelly:
5-6 bowls
113 - 41 (.734) record

In the mean time ND had their lowest ratings ever in 2019 before rebounding in 2020 during COVID, then losing half of 2020s viewers last year.

In 2018 Illinois football ranked #32 financially, and ND #6 with a difference of $56.1 million. Illinois is going to close that gap if not surpass ND with this new deal.

So in summary, ND can try to flex and posture all they want, but
- their viewership is declining to historically low levels while they’ve had their best seasons in 25 years
- their best coach in 25 years left for greener pastures
- they’re tied to the worst P5 conference for the next 15 years
- they’re about to be eclipsed financially by almost every SEC and BIG team due to the $50+ million per year TV money discrepancy
- they’re dependent on the B1G for scheduling their biggest rivals as non-con games esp with USC joining the B1G and even more so if Stanford does as well

Sure, ND is still a big draw, but will it continue to be? My opinion is not unless they join the B1G.
 
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skyIdub

Winged Warrior
That's actually a really good idea. Black Friday, temperature controlled, right next to Mom's house in the suburbs. If that doesn't draw a crowd for this game nothing will.
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