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I generally like it. Iowa rivalries seem the most spot on. Nebraska/USC seems like a natural historical (going back a bit) powers rivalry. Michigan State football gets screwed. It also just looks strange with UCLA having any BIG "rivals". I guess they need to start somewhere. 15 years from now it wont seem that way I guess.
Well, 4 bowls games against Illinois, not like we have been to a ton
 
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Does aau really mean anything anymore?
Every single Big ten school with the exception of Nebraska who was a member when we added them is AAU. Clearly it still means something to the people that make these decisions. At the end of the day the Big Ten is an academic alliance first and an athletic conference second in the minds of school presidents.
 
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Every single Big ten school with the exception of Nebraska who was a member when we added them is AAU. Clearly it still means something to the people that make these decisions. At the end of the day the Big Ten is an academic alliance first and an athletic conference second in the minds of school presidents.
You sure when $100s of millions are on the table?

Look I love tradition, standards, and hope you’re right. My personal opinion is I see those values declining, albeit more gradual in the big 10
 
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Mr. Tibbs

southeast DuPage
Every single Big ten school with the exception of Nebraska who was a member when we added them is AAU. Clearly it still means something to the people that make these decisions. At the end of the day the Big Ten is an academic alliance first and an athletic conference second in the minds of school presidents.
agree it means something, but also realize they wouild accept ND into the league in a minute.
So we know they will/would make an exception, and so the only real question is, who ELSE they would make an exception for ?

money has a crazy way of changing things. just ask the beautiful model who wouldn't have sex with a rich guy for $100, but would for $1,000,000
 
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agree it means something, but also realize they wouild accept ND into the league in a minute.
So we know they will/would make an exception, and so the only real question is, who ELSE they would make an exception for ?

money has a crazy way of changing things. just ask the beautiful model who wouldn't have sex with a rich guy for $100, but would for $1,000,000
Tibbs, I like you. No BS
 
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TentakilRex

Land O Insects between Quincy-Macomb-Jacksonville
You sure when $100s of millions are on the table?

Look I love tradition, standards, and hope you’re right. My personal opinion is I see those values declining, albeit more gradual in the big 10
9 out of 10 times I say yes, however the academic alliance is dealing with billions in research cash themselves.
 
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9 out of 10 times I say yes, however the academic alliance is dealing with billions in research cash themselves.
Interesting. Good point. However how does that factor into sports? I’d imagine they’re separated ? Or is there some ‘overlap’? I don’t care either way, just something I hadn’t really given much thought to
 
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Mr. Tibbs

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research opportunities are perhaps shared or even co-opted with member schools , but pretty sure each school keeps the revenue they earn to themselves.

There is benefit to being a conference member when it comes to getting government or fortune 500 R&D money, but there is no community pot of money that is shared on these contracts like media money is shared in grants of rights
 
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TentakilRex

Land O Insects between Quincy-Macomb-Jacksonville
Interesting. Good point. However how does that factor into sports? I’d imagine they’re separated ? Or is there some ‘overlap’? I don’t care either way, just something I hadn’t really given much thought to
research opportunities are perhaps shared or even co-opted with member schools , but pretty sure each school keeps the revenue they earn to themselves.

There is benefit to being a conference member when it comes to getting government or fortune 500 R&D money, but there is no community pot of money that is shared on these contracts like media money is shared in grants of rights
1. I am no expert of this, but the alliance does a lot of networking, sharing of course info, etc.
2. I am thinking in "veto power" terms. For most part, I think B1G athletics and the academic alliance are pretty separate. However, if athletics does anything that affects the academic alliance in any way they don't like, they have enough financial muscle (like a booster) that their complaints will be heard.
3. Reminder I am no expert on this.
 
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TentakilRex

Land O Insects between Quincy-Macomb-Jacksonville
Other thing that has been bugging me lately is fears that sports broadcasting bubble might be bursting. With the recent Warner Bros-Discovery cutbacks on their RSNs and the fall of Bally Sports, regional sports networks are in big trouble and the MLB, NBA, and NHL are already working on backup plans. Also I am wondering if this spreads to the ESPN, Fox, NBC, CBS level soon. I am glad for the new big TV deal, though I wish it was a wee bit longer now hehe. Also this cannot be good for our PAC brethren.
 
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Other thing that has been bugging me lately is fears that sports broadcasting bubble might be bursting. With the recent Warner Bros-Discovery cutbacks on their RSNs and the fall of Bally Sports, regional sports networks are in big trouble and the MLB, NBA, and NHL are already working on backup plans. Also I am wondering if this spreads to the ESPN, Fox, NBC, CBS level soon. I am glad for the new big TV deal, though I wish it was a wee bit longer now hehe. Also this cannot be good for our PAC brethren.
Another thing I’ve been wondering. I have no idea but will we see the media ‘arm’s race’ turn into a bursting bubble? If so what will be the repercussions? Streaming services really taking over? Ike I said I wish I knew (get in on some futures trades), but who knows. My hunch is that even if some networks go bust streaming can take over. One non-expert’s thoughts

Additionally some schools will be left behind. Even in the ‘big 2’
 
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BZuppke

Plainfield
So if FSU gets in the B1G they’d have to give up their Seminole nickname etc. I don’t see how the B1G could lets this slide.
 
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IlliniSaluki

IL metro east burbs of St. Louis
So if FSU gets in the B1G they’d have to give up their Seminole nickname etc. I don’t see how the B1G could lets this slide.
Unless it's a B1G rule that they won't budge on the difference with FSU is they have an established relationship with the Seminole Tribe(s) and permission to use the "Seminole" name and likeness'. Sorry if this was mentioned earlier I didn't go through all posts.
 
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Illini92and96

Austin, TX
Well, 4 bowls games against Illinois, not like we have been to a ton
Yeah, I did pause for a second and thought "we have played them a couple times - could we be as close to a rival?". I wonder if we have played them more frequently relative to the other big teams? I wouldn't know where to look for that.
 
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MustangWally

Mayfield
Yeah, I did pause for a second and thought "we have played them a couple times - could we be as close to a rival?". I wonder if we have played them more frequently relative to the other big teams? I wouldn't know where to look for that.
 
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Keeping this relative to Illinois, sc, and ucla ( something of a history with Washington, Stanford, and even Arizona) but regular season in the 70s, later 80s, and mid 90s, including the ‘07 rose bowl, there’s something you can call a history with the Trojans as well. One need only at Illinois year by year schedules and results (can be depressing). Some bright spots though so don’t be afraid.

Or just go regular Wikipedia year by year. Have scores, teams, attendance, (not always stats) but that works pretty well. And doesn’t take as long as youd think
 
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Unless it's a B1G rule that they won't budge on the difference with FSU is they have an established relationship with the Seminole Tribe(s) and permission to use the "Seminole" name and likeness'. Sorry if this was mentioned earlier I didn't go through all posts.
San Diego state had to go through this most recently, ended up in ‘toning down the mascot’. I doubt fsu will need not change anything. How those dynamics work, I guess it depends on the tribe in question.

A good example of this is central Michigan keeping the Chippewa name. Worked with ‘the tribe”. While schools like eastern Michigan are no longer the Hurons.

If fighting Illini goes, why not change the name
of the state to say, Lincoln
 
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Illini92and96

Austin, TX
Yeah, didn't want to do that times 13 and create an excel list to see where we compare vs. the rest of the big. I'm always looking for the easy button.
 
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Yeah, didn't want to do that times 13 and create an excel list to see where we compare vs. the rest of the big. I'm always looking for the easy button.
Hear ya. Again though, doesn’t take long. 15 minutes tops. I’ve done it and that’s about it. Plus you don’t need to create an excel list. State your point, which you know is true, and leave the rest to everyone else
 
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MustangWally

Mayfield
Yeah, didn't want to do that times 13 and create an excel list to see where we compare vs. the rest of the big. I'm always looking for the easy button.
easy GIF
 
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Other thing that has been bugging me lately is fears that sports broadcasting bubble might be bursting. With the recent Warner Bros-Discovery cutbacks on their RSNs and the fall of Bally Sports, regional sports networks are in big trouble and the MLB, NBA, and NHL are already working on backup plans. Also I am wondering if this spreads to the ESPN, Fox, NBC, CBS level soon. I am glad for the new big TV deal, though I wish it was a wee bit longer now hehe. Also this cannot be good for our PAC brethren.
Premium content continues to get premium dollars. Fortunately, the B1G is premium content that LOTS of people like to watch.
 
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Illini92and96

Austin, TX
Keeping this relative to Illinois, sc, and ucla ( something of a history with Washington, Stanford, and even Arizona) but regular season in the 70s, later 80s, and mid 90s, including the ‘07 rose bowl, there’s something you can call a history with the Trojans as well. One need only at Illinois year by year schedules and results (can be depressing). Some bright spots though so don’t be afraid.

Or just go regular Wikipedia year by year. Have scores, teams, attendance, (not always stats) but that works pretty well. And doesn’t take as long as youd think
So I had a break and did the work. We have played UCLA more than anyone save Nebraska, so by that measure we are a fitting rival. And we are an even Stephen 6-6.

Nebby - 13
US - 12
Wisky - 11
MIchigan - 11
Iowa - 9
OSU - 9
NW - 6
PSU - 6
MSU - 6
Purdue - 5
Minnesot - 3
Maryland -2
Rutgers, Indiana - zero
 
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So I had a break and did the work. We have played UCLA more than anyone save Nebraska, so by that measure we are a fitting rival. And we are an even Stephen 6-6.

Nebby - 13
US - 12
Wisky - 11
MIchigan - 11
Iowa - 9
OSU - 9
NW - 6
PSU - 6
MSU - 6
Purdue - 5
Minnesot - 3
Maryland -2
Rutgers, Indiana - zero
By ‘us’ do you mean usc? Sorry and apologies in advance, but this list doesn’t make a ton of sense to me. Apologies again. Example if us,somehow can Nebraska have played us more times than we’ve played them?

I think new rivalries still have more history than you’d think. Try watching one a a bar wearing orange and blue in Southern California 🖕
 
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