Cubs 2023 Season

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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
The Cubs made Correa a $210 million offer heading into 2022. What changed?
I mean "discussing range and parameters" is the same thing, it's like the plausible deniability around never making an "offer" to a college football coaching candidate that hasn't already been agreed to.

You wonder if the Cubs are trying to go big dollars short length with these guys given how much room under the luxury tax they currently have and are left bamboozled when teams go to these laughably tax-cheating lengths.
 
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Hoyer shouldn't care about making 11, 12 or 13 year deals. He probably won't be here that long. More of a chance that Ricketts will be here. He's the one nixing the long term deals.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
Hoyer shouldn't care about making 11, 12 or 13 year deals. He probably won't be here that long. More of a chance that Ricketts will be here. He's the one nixing the long term deals.
To be clear, what those deals are is a below-market salary for the remainder of the player's useful career, and then writing a big fat check in 2032 to get them to retire. That, or you cook up some sort of a Bobby Bonilla-style buyout.

It all comes out in the wash of an actuarial table. Money is money and the Cubs aren't offering enough.
 
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Cubs signed Brad Boxberger for 1 year at $2.8 million.

He’s the kind of solid veteran reliever the Cubs have had a lot of success with over the last few years. He’ll get you about 65 well-pitched high leverage innings.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
The thing that's really disturbing and hard to take is that if Correa, a 28 year old complete two-way player at a premium position who doesn't have draft pick compensation attached is not someone the Cubs are willing to take the market rate plunge on, who possibly could be? He's a player they've always coveted, he's a perfect fit, this pretty clearly signifies broader organizational-level discomfort with the free agent marketplace in general.
 
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Yeah. He’s made three perfectly fine, solid additions to the roster.

Problem is, he needs to make about 6 more additions like that to move the needle on this team.
Agreed. Bellenger and Tallion might have helped get us in a wild card race with the team as constructed last year, but at this point they are just attempting to replace what we lost on a sub-.500 team. We have some good prospects getting close, but not enough in number to think next year will be a lot different than last.

The outfield will be fine with Bellinger, Happ, and Suzuki. If we whiff on Swanson, I am even okay with Hoerner and Madrigal as plan A up the middle. Our main issue remains, and that is lack of production from the corner infield spots. Wisdom's inability to make consistent contact pretty much negates his prodigious power. He is a replacement level player. I'd love to see Mervis earn the 1st base job out of camp, but that can't be plan A. That's a spot where you should get significant production. Hopefully Mervis is that guy, but who knows? I have no idea what the plan is for 3rd. (If its Wisdom again...ugh...)

Starting Pitching should be solid, if unspectacular. There will be great competition this spring for that. I could even see Ross using a 6-man rotation, at least for awhile. (Wesneski, Asad ,Sampson, Alzolay should all be fighting for the #5...I might even be forgetting someone...)

Bullpen is in need of significant reinforcements. I assume Thompson will be back in the bullpen, which is where he has excelled.

We really needed a legit middle of the order bat to have a shot. Barring a major trade, that ship has sailed.
 
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DeonThomas

South Carolina
1. Hoerner - 2B
2. Swanson - SS
3. Happ - LF (Switch)
4. Suzuki - RF
5. Bellinger - CF (Left)
6. Reyes, F. - DH
7. Mervis - 1B (Left)
8. Wisdom - 3B
9. Higgins/Gomes - C

A little bit of experience; a little bit of youth; more than a little bit of risk.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
Another really damaging thing: Ian Happ and his agent are looking at this and getting the clear message that whatever the Cubs are offering to extend (and god knows if they're even trying), the open market will be SIGNIFICANTLY better.
 
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1. Hoerner - 2B
2. Swanson - SS
3. Happ - LF (Switch)
4. Suzuki - RF
5. Bellinger - CF (Left)
6. Reyes, F. - DH
7. Mervis - 1B (Left)
8. Wisdom - 3B
9. Higgins/Gomes - C

A little bit of experience; a little bit of youth; more than a little bit of risk.
That to me is a marginally better team than last year if Swanson is signed. If Mervis catches on quickly, and we are not ravaged by injuries, we could scratch into the playoffs. That would be a nice start stepping stone year.
 
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1. Hoerner - 2B
2. Swanson - SS
3. Happ - LF (Switch)
4. Suzuki - RF
5. Bellinger - CF (Left)
6. Reyes, F. - DH
7. Mervis - 1B (Left)
8. Wisdom - 3B
9. Higgins/Gomes - C

A little bit of experience; a little bit of youth; more than a little bit of risk.
Your DH isn’t on the roster. You’re probably looking at Wisdom and Vazquez at DH and Morel at 3rd.
 
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Your DH isn’t on the roster. You’re probably looking at Wisdom and Vazquez at DH and Morel at 3rd.
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#93      
Narvaez, the last starting quality catcher is off the board to the Mets.

Rodon to the Yankees.

Neither had been linked to the Cubs thet I ever saw.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
So some scuttlebutt has been made about Dansby Swanson marrying Mallory Pugh, star of the US women's soccer team and currently of the Chicago Red Stars club team. Can't hurt, though neither is a Chicago native and probably wouldn't have intentions of making this their forever home, though who knows.

One wrinkle that did spring to mind though, presumably the Cubs could add coverage of Red Stars games, or even the women's pro league more broadly, onto the endless acres of open space on the Marquee Network in a way that this new power couple of American sports might find enticing. Red Stars TV coverage is currently extremely limited and they are probably paying for the privilege. There could be an impactful deal for the team and league to be made.
 
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Illiniaaron

Geneseo, IL
Your DH isn’t on the roster. You’re probably looking at Wisdom and Vazquez at DH and Morel at 3rd.
So is Franmil Reyes out of the picture? He really wasn't that great but would the Cubs take another flyer on him or did they see enough?
 
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So some scuttlebutt has been made about Dansby Swanson marrying Mallory Pugh, star of the US women's soccer team and currently of the Chicago Red Stars club team. Can't hurt, though neither is a Chicago native and probably wouldn't have intentions of making this their forever home, though who knows.

One wrinkle that did spring to mind though, presumably the Cubs could add coverage of Red Stars games, or even the women's pro league more broadly, onto the endless acres of open space on the Marquee Network in a way that this new power couple of American sports might find enticing. Red Stars TV coverage is currently extremely limited and they are probably paying for the privilege. There could be an impactful deal for the team and league to be made.
They want to earn money like they own a television station without giving people something to watch other than the baseball games that would have been televised on another station anyway. It’s like, “I want to be paid like a lawyer, but don’t want to actually do any of that law-type stuff.”
 
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So is Franmil Reyes out of the picture? He really wasn't that great but would the Cubs take another flyer on him or did they see enough?
The Cubs don’t seem interested at all in having a full-time DH, and apparently want to keep that spot in the batting order for position players taking a day off.

It’s really weird. They went into the season last year as if they were surprised the NL went with a full time DH and are continuing on that path.
 
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So...the "Ricketts Family Forum" will be the first event on the agenda for Saturday morning during the Cubs Convention. I would pay scalpers' prices to be there for that.
 
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Mr. Tibbs

southeast DuPage
So...the "Ricketts Family Forum" will be the first event on the agenda for Saturday morning during the Cubs Convention. I would pay scalpers' prices to be there for that.
unless bro Pete is getting sworn in as appointed US Senator to replace Sasse at that exact same time, then the whole family will be in DC and you can watch Crane Kenney and Jed Hoyer tap dance on stage instead
 
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This is a depressing thread, central Illinois, why didn't i pick the Cardinals to root for as a kid?

oh yeah, first team I remember following was the 69 cubs...should have learned my lesson that year
 
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