Illwinsagain
- Cary, IL
Don't forget accounting and financial planning.
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Don't forget accounting and financial planning.
Illiini
- In the land of the Nittany Lion
If a kid is worth a million per year...where? He's not supposed to get it from a university. He can go on the free market. It's called the NBA. The NBA can start its own farm system to pay the kids what they think they're worth.
sbillini
- st petersburg, fl
It's also well disputed. Even studies finding that correlation have indicated that the overall ROI is still questionable (if not negative).
"Anderson said previous research findings have been split about whether athletic success has any effect on these aspects of institutional development: “I think the previous research had been pretty mixed,” he said. And even though his findings reveal effects that are up to three times greater than those in previous studies, he said these “spillover benefits” are still not enough to justify athletics expenditures.
According to the report, if a college improves its season wins by 5 games, it can expect alumni athletic donations to increase by $682,000 (28 percent), applications to increase by 677 (5 percent), in-state enrollment to increase by 76 students (3 percent) and incoming students’ 25th-percentile SAT scores to increase by nine points (1 percent). But Anderson said these positive effects would not recoup however much money a college invested in its athletics program."
https://www.insidehighered.com/news...among-other-areas-correlated-football-success
ILL in IA
- Iowa City
And if they went to UNC, put a name on the top, turn it in and get an A for it.
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Correct. And i am guessing the NBA probably won't pay them much more than they are getting in terms of tuition, room, board, oh, and yes free trips to Hawaii or Europe on occasion.
I wouldn't watch them play on TV. Perhaps, perhaps in person on rare occasion if they were my local team, but in general, they would not draw near the college level in attendance - even if the college level of play suffered because of it.
Mike
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That number has been tossed about before by a national pundit, but don't remember by who. Hard to say exactly what the average player is worth, but isn't our mens bb bringing in a total of like 20M give or take?...
If the reason you are paying the players is so they won't take money under the table, then is seems reasonable to me you have to pay them what they are actually worth to the program, or they will still take money under the table.
This. All the proposals to pay a stipend, etc., may reduce the need for the student to cheat, it doesn't help his family who may be struggling with meeting their bills for a meager existence (let alone expense to attend basketball games, etc., that goes with being a parent of a player). Nor does it solve the other issues of agents, shoe companies and AAU coaches conspiring long the way.
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I know he's not trying to be funny but both of these statements are kind of --- funny.
Dave MatterVerified account @Dave_Matter 1h1 hour ago
Cuonzo Martin says he doesn’t wait for compliance office to get involved to keep program clean. "I am compliance."
Dave MatterVerified account @Dave_Matter 1h1 hour ago
Cuonzo Martin on players getting paid: "That won’t be a problem in my program."
Dave MatterVerified account @Dave_Matter 1h1 hour ago
Cuonzo Martin says he doesn’t wait for compliance office to get involved to keep program clean. "I am compliance."
Dave MatterVerified account @Dave_Matter 1h1 hour ago
Cuonzo Martin on players getting paid: "That won’t be a problem in my program."
RedRocksIllini
- Morrison, CO
Because they pay the players' parent directly?
Is not a problem, or won't be a problem?
Yes.
I think most people WANT college athletics to be about college first and athletics second. But that isn't even happening today, in the absence of paying these guys money. It's just a fallacy.
Also, college basketball would get pretty boring. How many kids are told for years that they're going to make the pros? If these handlers are taking advantage of the kids now, think about how much worse it will be when they direct all the really good, good, and even okay players to the "minors" with promises of a pay day, and no one ends up in college.
RedRocksIllini
- Morrison, CO
If all these kids go into the minors rather than college, would we have enough Sports Management graduates to fill the demand in this exciting and dynamic field?
Illwinsagain
- Cary, IL
How many kids are we really talking about that would skip college and go straight to the "pros"? Only the top 10 or so, and the ones that have 0 interest in an education. Once they find out how expensive it is to live on their own, college may be a better deal then being on the bench of the D-league.
I think this a good point that is lost in this debate. The dollar value added by the player is relative to the system that has been created by the NCAA and the collegiate system in general. I watch Illinois games because I went there and a team identity has been created around that connection. A lot of people watch because the exposure the NCAA created attracted and then kept them. I don't want to watch the Joliet Jackrabbits play the Dayton Dipsticks with some kids playing AAU style ball to boost their profile.
But the NCAA created that value by exploiting the stuffing out of college sports. Pandora might already have vertical leaped out of her box like a McD All-American, but making schools pay their own apparel expenses and instituting a "no-branding" rule would be a start. People cry foul when the NBA talks about corporate logos on unis, but we play in the State Farm Center and sell jerseys with the swoosh logo in our Union. That all has to stop nationwide.
I think the top 10 would be able to go straight to the NBA. But you're telling me the next 50 kids would rather make $0 over the next 4 years over playing ball in the minors? I just don't think that is true - almost every player who has been told by a handler or an AAU coach or whoever that they'll make it one day is going to roll those dice.
Good point - it would probably be the death of the recreation, sports, and tourism industry (whatever that is).
One thing that can't be measured well is the student experience. I attended U of I from 1987-1991 and I know my experience was enhanced significantly by having a good football team and a great basketball team. The environment helped create a tremendous amount of school loyalty and pride, which brings us back to donations...
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Dan WolkenVerified account @DanWolken 32m32 minutes ago
Bruce Pearl's entire career is one big "anyone got any basketball questions?"
Bruce Pearl's entire career is one big "anyone got any basketball questions?"
RedRocksIllini
- Morrison, CO
Hmm...not how I would choose to describe his career.
ILL in IA
- Iowa City
More of a conspiracy theory here, but I think an interesting name that could get brought up on this. IMG. They have really diversified the past few years in the sports world in being able to reach athletes younger and younger. IMG College and IMG Academy. Complete long shot with zero knowledge on my end. But you heard it here first.
It won't change anything. I mean, this is EXACTLY what is already happening. Right. Now. Look at Bowen. Adidas steered him to Louisville because it's one of their marquee schools. And that's WITH all these rules in place.
Look, even if Adidas or Nike or UA wants a kid to go to one of "their" schools, there are still a lot of schools to choose from. Kansas isn't going to have room for all the Adidas kids. Duke can't take all the nike kids. There's just not enough room and playing time.
Trying to continue to regulate a system that can't be regulated is not the answer.
I say let the kids go out on their own time and court sponsors, do commercials etc. (this helps the money issue without totally ruining the sport) But no school can have any brand affiliation. They play in unbranded merch from whoever they want to buy it from. (this cuts out the shoe corp influence) It would be easier to put rules around that process because you're controlling content. Kids can't use their school logo to make money, so any commercial with that cross contamination is a violation. Honestly I don't think it would end up being that lucrative for them. Car dealerships/etc would still rather have the coach.
One of the many answers that would fix more than it would hurt. I get (to an extent) how paying kids directly from the college itself would be an issue, but if they go out and sign with Nike or Adidas or New Balance and do commercials/ads whatever, why does that hurt the NCAA? Why should the NCAA care if these kids are making money when they are in college? It really makes amateurism sound more like servitude.
Lavar Ball looking more and more like a genius everyday.
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