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SKane

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Tennessee
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I expect that Lieb knows exactly where he stands and has decided to stay.

Others may know what methods of Creaning exist beyond the "You're not going to play" conversation. Regardless, it seems clear that Coach has decided not to do that to Lieb.
 
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CharliedonSurf

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SKane said:
I expect that Lieb knows exactly where he stands and has decided to stay.

Others may know what methods of Creaning exist beyond the "You're not going to play" conversation. Regardless, it seems clear that Coach has decided not to do that to Lieb.
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You better listen to him...Samba faces the same thing.
 
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ptgrd23

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Andre is playing more (30 mpg vs 20 mpg at Illinois) but other than shooting better from 3 is pretty much the same player against worse competition.
I see he is wearing the colored goggles so I suspect he is light sensitive from the concussion. Its a shame to see his career sidetracked by injury. I will never forget how he played in the win @ Michigan and during the B10 tourney title run. I hope he gets better and develops into a 20 ppg 8 apg star at St. John.
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the juiceman cometh

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ptgrd23 said:
Andre is playing more (30 mpg vs 20 mpg at Illinois) but other than shooting better from 3 is pretty much the same player against worse competition.
I see he is wearing the colored goggles so I suspect he is light sensitive from the concussion. Its a shame to see his career sidetracked by injury. I will never forget how he played in the win @ Michigan and during the B10 tourney title run. I hope he gets better and develops into a 20 ppg 8 apg star at St. John.
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Setting aside the fact that you're essentially saying "other than fixing the biggest weakness in his game, he's exactly the same" which is a funny way to put things, I think it's at least somewhat significant that he's averaging 2.2 more ppg than he did his freshman season and averaging 1.9 steals per game, which is more than double what he was doing here. I think it's also significant that his numbers look more like his pre-injury freshman year numbers. I don't understand the need to minimize the progress he's made since last season.
 
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21ChampaignSt

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the juiceman cometh said:
Setting aside the fact that you're essentially saying "other than fixing the biggest weakness in his game, he's exactly the same" which is a funny way to put things, I think it's at least somewhat significant that he's averaging 2.2 more ppg than he did his freshman season and averaging 1.9 steals per game, which is more than double what he was doing here. I think it's also significant that his numbers look more like his pre-injury freshman year numbers. I don't understand the need to minimize the progress he's made since last season.
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I had an assignment at work recently that led me to dive into the psychology of "loss aversion" and it made me think about AC.

The pain people feel when they lose something is 2x greater than the pleasure they feel from gaining something. So loss, or the fear of loss is a very powerful motivator and driver behind human behavior.

The connection to AC? Some people are so blinded by their pain caused by his TOs (loss of possession) that they can't even see his positives. Some people are even holding grudges against him for making them feel that pain.

I also think this is why people get so frustrated by poor FT shooting. They're free. So going 1-2 from the line feels like losing a point instead of gaining a point.
 
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GBIllini

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21ChampaignSt said:
I had an assignment at work recently that led me to dive into the psychology of "loss aversion" and it made me think about AC.

The pain people feel when they lose something is 2x greater than the pleasure they feel from gaining something. So loss, or the fear of loss is a very powerful motivator and driver behind human behavior.

The connection to AC? Some people are so blinded by their pain caused by his TOs (loss of possession) that they can't even see his positives. Some people are even holding grudges against him for making them feel that pain.

I also think this is why people get so frustrated by poor FT shooting. They're free. So going 1-2 from the line feels like losing a point instead of gaining a point.
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I watched all but the last six minutes of the Virginia/Wake Forest game. They were going on and on about Wake point gaurd Appleby and how he impacted the game yet he already had eight turnovers when I switched it off. They repeatedly said you can't discount the positive things he was doing on the floor because of those turnovers. At Illinois it would not be perceived like that.
 
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Mobi

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ptgrd23 said:
Andre is playing more (30 mpg vs 20 mpg at Illinois) but other than shooting better from 3 is pretty much the same player against worse competition.
I see he is wearing the colored goggles so I suspect he is light sensitive from the concussion. Its a shame to see his career sidetracked by injury. I will never forget how he played in the win @ Michigan and during the B10 tourney title run. I hope he gets better and develops into a 20 ppg 8 apg star at St. John.
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A Curbelo with 33.3% 3P% is pretty darn good (at least for some teams) IMO. I am a bit surprised he didn't score more though.
 
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21ChampaignSt

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GBIllini said:
I watched all but the last six minutes of the Virginia/Wake Forest game. They were going on and on about Wake point gaurd Appleby and how he impacted the game yet he already had eight turnovers when I switched it off. They repeatedly said you can't discount the positive things he was doing on the floor because of those turnovers. At Illinois it would not be perceived like that.
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Sheesh. Just looked at the box score. Kid had himself a game. 18 pts, 4 rb, 8 asts, 13-14 FT, to go with 8 tos.
 
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Goillinikobd

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Southeastern US
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Mobi said:
A Curbelo with 33.3% 3P% is pretty darn good (at least for some teams) IMO. I am a bit surprised he didn't score more though.
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Sometimes i think we suffer from CDS, Curbelo Derangement Syndrome.

He obviously is still recovering from the concussion from a year ago, which means he was still recovering after he came back last season, which means he was still recovering at the time of the NCAA Houston debacle.

I am ready to cut him some slack.

I just pray he doesn’t end up like Tony C, Boston Red Sox

Potential never fully realized
 
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BretMyBeachHouse

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the juiceman cometh said:
Setting aside the fact that you're essentially saying "other than fixing the biggest weakness in his game, he's exactly the same" which is a funny way to put things, I think it's at least somewhat significant that he's averaging 2.2 more ppg than he did his freshman season and averaging 1.9 steals per game, which is more than double what he was doing here. I think it's also significant that his numbers look more like his pre-injury freshman year numbers. I don't understand the need to minimize the progress he's made since last season.
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Minimize? I thought he put his numbers in pretty good context. You left out the per 40 numbers which would actually be a bit down from the freshman year.

He's a mixed bag and a ton of fun to watch. It reminds me of Jason Williams. I don't think teams were clamoring to trade for him, but I'm sure every fan loved it when his team showed up.
 
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sharpshot16

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Know y'all love reminiscing - AJ Storr with a monster 15 points in 18 minutes for St. John's.
 
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ptgrd23

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the juiceman cometh said:
Setting aside the fact that you're essentially saying "other than fixing the biggest weakness in his game, he's exactly the same" which is a funny way to put things, I think it's at least somewhat significant that he's averaging 2.2 more ppg than he did his freshman season and averaging 1.9 steals per game, which is more than double what he was doing here. I think it's also significant that his numbers look more like his pre-injury freshman year numbers. I don't understand the need to minimize the progress he's made since last season.
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Andre only takes two 3 PA per game (up from 1 PA) and is shooting 33% thru 12 games. Andre's scoring freshman year was 9 ppg. He is at 11 ppg this year.

TSJ is taking six 3 PA per game s(up from 3 PA) so his 35% thru 11 games is a more impressive addition due to larger sample size. TSJ has improved his scoring from 10 ppg to 18 ppg.
 
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ptgrd23

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Goillinikobd said:
Sometimes i think we suffer from CDS, Curbelo Derangement Syndrome.
He obviously is still recovering from the concussion from a year ago, which means he was still recovering after he came back last season, which means he was still recovering at the time of the NCAA Houston debacle.
I am ready to cut him some slack.
I just pray he doesn’t end up like Tony C, Boston Red Sox
Potential never fully realized
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That would be a shame. Head injuries are very tricky. It ended Mike Matheny's career as MLB catcher.
www.espn.com

Concussion symptoms force Giants' Matheny to retire

Mike Matheny's decision to retire was made for him. His doctor refused to clear the longtime catcher to play in 2007 after a concussion sidelined him for the final four months of last season.
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sacraig

sacraig
The desert
sacraig
ptgrd23 said:
That would be a shame. Head injuries are very tricky. It ended Mike Matheny's career as MLB catcher.
www.espn.com

Concussion symptoms force Giants' Matheny to retire

Mike Matheny's decision to retire was made for him. His doctor refused to clear the longtime catcher to play in 2007 after a concussion sidelined him for the final four months of last season.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
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Sometimes I wonder if it affects his career as manager to this day.
 
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Mojoman

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Tacomallini said:
Adam Miller hit two clutch free throws at the end of the LSU Arkansas game last night for the win. LSU is 11-1
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He has a green light. He is 5 for his last 36 from three. :oops:

He is shooting only 38% overall and 30% from three.
He is advertised as a shooter. He can't really shoot.
His freshmen year at Illinois he shot only 31% from three after his first game.

But he is getting a chance to score as a volume shooter there. They let him take 7 threes a game. LOL.

There was some talk that there was some contact with staff about coming back here this year. We would not have gotten TJS or MM in that case.
And I think his mom would be unhappy again if he wasn't being used as she wanted which is being able to shoot a lot and be option #1 as she thought he was one and done.
 
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2qtslow

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