With a (healthy) supporting cast of Thorne, JCL, TA, Finke, Black, etc., I don't think there's much chance of him getting 23 ppg. If he's around 17, I think that means we'd be a much improved team.
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I agree. I anticipate something like 17 pts, 6 reb, 3 ast, 1.2 stl, 0.7 blk, 45% fg, 38% 3pt. Just saying it would be really fun if he blew up nationally and became an All-American/B1G POY. I don't think there's much of a chance. I actually think that JCL will average 14-16 points and lead the team in scoring plenty of times. Between him, Abrams, and Thorne (not to mention Black and Finke), I expect a pretty balanced attack.
It would be fun and with increase in vertical & loss of Nunn I don't think it is a huge stretch for his numbers to go up, 23 might be a bit of a stretch. Offensively, we may still be a bit light on guys who can make there own offense depending on how well TA has recovered and JCL develops, so thereMH will get his shots
You lose Nunn, but you add Thorne, Abrams, and Black. That's a big net gain. I'd be extremely surprised if his scoring went up from last year when he was the only consistent, viable offensive option on the team for much of the season.
Sorry to rain on your kool-aid parade, but Mike Thorne cannot touch the top of the backboard.
Mike Thorne has a standing reach in shoes of about 9'5. The top of the backboard is 13'. Thus, in order to touch the top of the backboard, Mike Thorne would need to have a vertical leap of over 43 inches, which is unprecedented for a guy his size.
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Hill's going to have some big games. We've seen him score 30 plus, so I wouldn't be surprised if he reached the 30 point plateau again. Let's be clear, if Hill has the hot hand in any point of any game, you feed him the ball.
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Fletcher stated on July 19th via Twitter that Thorne maxed out the vert by going over 12 feet. So, he's almost there.
You're right, of course. However, maxing out the vertical jump test, touching above 12', and getting his head level with the rim is still thoroughly ridiculous.
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This was the photo I was talking about via Fletcher. Thanks FatGreg.You're right, of course. However, maxing out the vertical jump test, touching above 12', and getting his head level with the rim is still thoroughly ridiculous.
That's totally fair, realistically we haven't had a 20 ppg player since Cook in 2003, & only a handful that have scored more than 16 ppg in that same time frame, so maintaining 18 is a fairly high bar & there are reasons to believe that he will need to be better & more efficient to just hold 18 with a more balanced attack; but there are also some things going the other way, losing Nunn, still likely weak on guys who can take it to the hole, hopefully improved eff./ability to get to the line with added vertical/quickness, inside presense & a point guard to open things up & maybe increase total points a bit, and spending less time at the 4.
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Fat Greg's actual 36" vertical c. 2008 (on left)
Why are you guys sitting on the fence?
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Hill does have a legitimate shot of being Big Ten POY, but there's other players that will be in the conversation like Hayes and Jok. Too early to tell, but I think Hayes is in the lead to get it.
My big question regarding JCL is his inside game. Has he been working on his drives and attacking the rim? If he has, that's another dimension he's added to his game.
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Fat Greg's actual 36" vertical c. 2008 (on left)
C'mon, this is just two guys sitting on a fence.
EDIT: Bah! Too slow!
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I do honestly think we can see Hill break 20ppg. He'll still be our #1 scoring option. He'll likely get more opportunities with what should be much better team rebounding. He'll be more physically imposing and thus more likely to attack the basket and draw fouls. He won't be keyed on as much by opposing defenses since there will be other players who can score to defend. Finally, what is 20ppg vs. 18ppg? The difference of one basket or two free throws. I can see him getting that on a nightly basis over the course of a season.
Our team average PPG should go up over last season, and though Black/Thorne/Abrams should account for some of that I think Hill will still get his, as well. I can see team scoring breaking out something like this:
Hill - 20 pts/game
JCL - 14
Thorne - 12
Black - 9
Abrams - 7.5
Finke - 7.5
Morgan - 6
Jordan - 4.5
DJW - 4.5
Nichols - 3
Tate - 1.5
Lucas - 1.5
Austin - 1
Liss - 0.5
That's what I think could happen. Note that even though the pts/game average is closer to 90, that doesn't account for the fact that not all players play in every game. I'd expect our per game scoring average to jump to around 78 ppg. Last year we were at 72. With an expectation of improvements in rebounding and defense, that translates to a lot more wins.
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I do honestly think we can see Hill break 20ppg. He'll still be our #1 scoring option. He'll likely get more opportunities with what should be much better team rebounding. He'll be more physically imposing and thus more likely to attack the basket and draw fouls. He won't be keyed on as much by opposing defenses since there will be other players who can score to defend. Finally, what is 20ppg vs. 18ppg? The difference of one basket or two free throws. I can see him getting that on a nightly basis over the course of a season.
Our team average PPG should go up over last season, and though Black/Thorne/Abrams should account for some of that I think Hill will still get his, as well. I can see team scoring breaking out something like this:
Hill - 20 pts/game
JCL - 14
Thorne - 12
Black - 9
Abrams - 7.5
Finke - 7.5
Morgan - 6
Jordan - 4.5
DJW - 4.5
Nichols - 3
Tate - 1.5
Lucas - 1.5
Austin - 1
Liss - 0.5
That's what I think could happen. Note that even though the pts/game average is closer to 90, that doesn't account for the fact that not all players play in every game. I'd expect our per game scoring average to jump to around 78 ppg. Last year we were at 72. With an expectation of improvements in rebounding and defense, that translates to a lot more wins.
Lord I hope we attack the offensive glass aggressively with this team.
I do honestly think we can see Hill break 20ppg. He'll still be our #1 scoring option. He'll likely get more opportunities with what should be much better team rebounding. He'll be more physically imposing and thus more likely to attack the basket and draw fouls. He won't be keyed on as much by opposing defenses since there will be other players who can score to defend. Finally, what is 20ppg vs. 18ppg? The difference of one basket or two free throws. I can see him getting that on a nightly basis over the course of a season.
Our team average PPG should go up over last season, and though Black/Thorne/Abrams should account for some of that I think Hill will still get his, as well. I can see team scoring breaking out something like this:
Hill - 20 pts/game
JCL - 14
Thorne - 12
Black - 9
Abrams - 7.5
Finke - 7.5
Morgan - 6
Jordan - 4.5
DJW - 4.5
Nichols - 3
Tate - 1.5
Lucas - 1.5
Austin - 1
Liss - 0.5
That's what I think could happen. Note that even though the pts/game average is closer to 90, that doesn't account for the fact that not all players play in every game. I'd expect our per game scoring average to jump to around 78 ppg. Last year we were at 72. With an expectation of improvements in rebounding and defense, that translates to a lot more wins.
Possibly a bit low on Morgan's output estimate considering his great junior year - hopefully looking for him going 10 or more each game even with Thorne back.
I saw similarities between Malcolm Hill and Q Richardson 2-3 years ago and nobody agreed and thought I was drinking the kool-aid. Interesting to read that one of the college bb bloggers made the comparison today.
From my memory of Q Richardson he was a better 3 point shooter and rebounder than Hill, but I think Hill is getting there. Similar mid range game and built.
From my memory of Q Richardson he was a better 3 point shooter and rebounder than Hill, but I think Hill is getting there. Similar mid range game and built.
Only if every player plays in every game. Liss, for example, may only get into 4-5 games. Others not in the rotation will not get into every game. I think the poster was hoping for about 78 a game which is still really high in the BT.
Understand that... but if you just take the top 8 (should play every game) -- that would be over 80 a game...
Hill - 20 pts/game
JCL - 14
Thorne - 12
Black - 9
Abrams - 7.5
Finke - 7.5
Morgan - 6
Jordan - 4.5
DJW - 4.5
Nichols - 3
Tate - 1.5
Lucas - 1.5
Austin - 1
Liss - 0.5
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